I can't think of a worse marketing strategy for a company that relies on remote work to remain relevant. This would be like if General Motors forced every employee within 50 miles of an assembly plant to ride a bike to work.
this post was submitted on 06 Aug 2023
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That is hilarious
I don’t mind going into an office but if I worker for zoom. I’d expect they’d demand I work remotely.
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is now asking all employees within 50 miles of a company office to go in at least two days a week on a hybrid schedule.
I briefly worked for a company that took this approach. The oversight they made was they had 2 offices (different teams in each), but as long as you lived within 50 miles of one of the offices, you had to come in.
Even if your team was exclusively in office 1, and you lived outside the radius of office 1 BUT were in the radius of office 2...you had to come in to office 2...and teleconference with your team in office 1 🤦
Wow that’s next level dumb. My job did something similar. Someone whose team was based out of Texas yet they still made the 2 people from MI go to the MI office. And on separate days “so someone was always available”
Then the same company closed 75% of their massive building and said the hybrid employees have to share cubes with other people. I’m so glad HR made me permanent remote.
There's a guy at my company that lives in Sacramento, and commutes twice a week to go in the office in mountain view. That's a 4 hour commute with no traffic.
His entire team is in the San diego office. There's literally zero point, but I guess his manager isn't willing or capable of fighting for an exception to the hybrid mandate.
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I mean... as a software developer, Sorry, I will not be returning to the office.
You need me, more than I need you. The market is HOT right now.
Companies will learn, the hard way.
Is the market hot right now? With all the layoffs, the sentiment on blind seems to be don't try to find a job now
Big tech overhired. There is still a massive number of companies that are in dire need of software devs. They won't pay 300k though
90% of the people who were laid off in December had a new job by February. That timeframe has been consistent across the board.
There is still a huge talent gap and there are still a huge amount of high paying jobs available for folks in software. You may have more trouble getting into the largest orgs, but aim a bit smaller and you can find work pretty quickly.
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The layoffs were all from the big tech companies, the small ones are still operating as per usual.
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That's for relatively fresh programmers, and in particular BSc or BA.
If you have years of experience, it's the opposite, companies fight each other to get you.
So:
The market is HOT right now.**
** Conditions apply.
higher skilled workers are always in higher demand, that's not really dependent on the market
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Commuting is a total loss, and I find being in the office makes it much harder to actually get work done. Fuck all this shit.
I've been getting a lot of messages on LinkedIn from recruiters, a lot of these are asking me to be in the office 2 to 3 times a week. If I was to commute, I'd leave before my son is awake and arrive after he has gone to bed, working from home, I see him whenever I want.
Never saw my dad growing up unless it was the weekends and by then he was tired. He commuted a decent amount. Now he's in his later years and unable to physically do much. I wonder what kind of relationship we would have had. I wish I knew him at his best.
I missed all my kids young years due to work and commute, I'll be damned if I miss their middle/older years. work from home isn't just a preference it is literally giving our family irreplaceable time back. your comment made me sad, I hope you have a good relationship now
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"THE REAL ESTATE! PLEASE THINK OF HOW MUCH WE PAY FOR THE PRETTY BUILDING!"
Worst argument though. The building has already been paid for or has a lease. Using or not using it won't bring that money back. The only thing that can bring the money back is subleasing it. Even not using it saves some money (energy bills).
That's not how this stuff works. The buildings belong to people, ultimately most of them being to the oligarchs. Having a lot of people work from home will put pressure on real estate values so the oligarchs might see the line go up a little slower. So they put pressure on CEOs to keep people locked up in their silos. They're also easier to control that way.
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Return to office to sit at computer on zoom.
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
I guess they don't trust their product.
I mean, it is crap.
It is a gift from the heavens compared to the dumpster fire that is Microsoft Teams Meetings
Zoom app never worked well on Linux and in browser experience was absolute shit.
Sometimes it just wouldn't start without any error message. 10 minutes before meeting. Fuck zoom.
Teams works even in Firefox on Linux, but desktop client is very solid as well if you're into that.
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I'd love to understand the logic and benefit of come two days a week. But the real reason, not the bullshit they say
They've invested a lot of money in office real estate and hate that it's going to waste.
Also, CEOs tend to be extroverts who want to be around people. They're also sociopaths who think everyone is like them (or they don't care what others think).
Combine the two and you get this.
Also no one actually knows how long tasks take.
If you work from home and only work for 4 hours, lots of managers do not know how to tell if that work you did took 8 hours or 4. In the office they have plausible deniability that they saw you there doing something.
They've invested a lot of money in office real estate and hate that it's going to waste.
But see this makes no sense. The money invested is gone (or contractually tied up). Using it won't make it a good investment.
It's like if you bought a car and then moved somewhere where you're like 1 minute walking from work, the grocery store, the hair salon,.and the best restaurants, and you never travel otherwise. The money spent on the car is objectively wasted. Using your car unnecessarily to drive places you (a) wouldn't normally go to or (b) don't need a car to get to is not only pointless, but actually costs MORE MONEY because of gas and maintenance (or for a building, energy and cleaning).
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Because the people creating these mandates don't have to suffer them. They come and go as they please, and they don't work in the ~~pit~~ open office space. They have real offices with furniture, walls, and doors that shut.
No idea whether it's their reason, but anecdotally I've found it has a few benefits. If coordinated properly it's significantly easier to train new(er) staff, it improves cross-organisational understanding to overhear other departments' conversations either at desks or in break rooms, and it stops people becoming isolated pockets of knowledge and culture because they only ever see or interact with the same one or two people.
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"Oscar Meyer tells employees to eat less meat"
"Pfizer tells employees to use homeopathic remedies."
Currently looking for another job and EVERY job I have seen that's hybrid has multiple offices across the country. So basically they make you come into the office to talk to the rest of your team on zoom. Somehow that is more efficient than talking to them on zoom from your house.
That's pants-on-head level stupidity.
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We can only assume the internal memo was:
"Hey guys! Oh shit! Our remote conferencing software is actually crap! We need to return to the office ASAP!"
Good for them not having any "sacred cow" technologies - not even the one they sell, apparently.
Careful, this article might cause irony poisoning
Airbnb tells employees to stay at hotels.
Don't get high on your own supply
Seems like a way of culling staff without having to pay severance.. make it so shit that people leave, but make allowances for the key people you need
That (along with feeding managers' need to micromanage) is the largest reason so many corporations are forcing a return to office
Different circumstances but similarly funny in an absurd way because of how it sounds, I remember reading a news item in the 90s about the time when a riot broke out in a Nerf factory in China.
They have to come back to the office, but no getting out of their cubicle to talk. They have to use Zoom for that.
just slack off those 2/5 days where they force you in the office and kill their network while you're at it (upload unnecessarily)
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