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I know not all praying religions have their adherents join their hands, but I think it's the case for most. Many cultures even use clasped hands in day-to-day life as a sign of deference or pleading (which I guess makes them "social prayers").

My only 'armchair anthropologist' theory is that hands that are gripped together are unable to present a threat to you, so it is a signal of voluntary vulnerability. But that doesn't make sense in a religious context (although it does in the social context), because how would you ever be a threat to any god in the first place? πŸ€” If anything, you're displaying arrogance by saying to god "yeah I COULD fuck you up, but just for this conversation, I'm gonna decommission my arms, arms which I have to register as deadly weapons by the way".

A secondary question on this topic is what is the function of praying hands in the praying process? If you say a prayer without joining your hands, does it not reach god? Or does he hear it but he's like "uhhh, excuse me?? Forgetting something? No childhood leukaemia cure for you, I guess!" like an overly-pedantic lawyer?

Third question: Do any holy books actually describe or prescribe 'praying hands'? If so, what do they have to say about it?

Cheers! πŸ™

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[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

...hands that are gripped together are unable to present a threat...

Counterpoint:

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How did people like that? Crazy.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think you missed the fact that it's in color!!!

[–] crusty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Also TVs back then were pretty small and fuzzy compared to today, so bad makeup and special effects looked better

[–] eronth@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And actions/motions needed to be exaggerated to fully come across.

Shatner is also pretty clearly using stage acting techniques instead of screen acting techniques in much of the show, screen acting as a distinct skill still being rather new at the time. You can also see Nimoy using much more modern feeling acting and Kelley using something in between.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you say a prayer without joining your hands, does it not reach god?

Lol, yes the hands act as a transmitter antenna to send the message. Without it you'll get bad reception.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Hands apart is for capacitive prayer transmissions, but most religions nowadays use inductive transmission where hands together help form the inductive loop through the hands. It is also important to not pray while laying down, as this changes the polarity.

Fun fact: the electronic symbol for capacitor represents two hands held slightly apart. This is because capacitive prayers were the most common back when the capacitor was invented.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would also say that if you don't hear the voice of god while praying, there might be a magnetic field interfering with your connection.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yup. That's the main reason why 5G is so bad for you.

Wow, this was a great bit of shit-spinning, 10 points

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Cup hands behind ears to best hear Word of God.

[–] Balthazar@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Under Christianity, I think children were instructed to hold their hands together in order to discourage fidgeting. I'm not aware of any Biblical reason to clasp hands. In fact, I think in the Old Testament hands were often raised in prayer.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

This is why I was told to close my eyes, to do away with distractions. But my neurodivergent brain would just get distracted by unrelated thoughts, so staring at a stained glass window does nicely for me.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I vaguely remember, as a kid, older people would sometimes pray with open, upwards palms extended forward from the elbow. Catholic school said something like it was acceptable, but school and peer pressure made me feel like anything other than flat, clasped hands were illegal. No woven finger fistballs, either. But this is anecdotal from 30 years ago in one particular region.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

I, personally am pretty inconsistent with how I do it, lol

[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't have any expertise with which to answer your question definitively, but I wanted to chime in to say that my first thought was exactly this: "hands that are gripped together are unable to present a threat to you, so it is a signal of voluntary vulnerability."

And rather than vulnerability, it might be more accurate to say that it represents submission, which would tie in with your second question, so it's not so much that one is signaling that one is not a threat to the god(s), but that one submits.

And in that context, it's likely noteworthy that the most common example of clasped hands outside of prayer is when one is earnestly begging something of someone else, and especially a favor or a certain inconvenience.

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Or a prisoner

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The only thing I clasp is my ankles when screaming "oh god oh god"

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude......we don't want to hear about your adventures o the toilet.

Also......see a doctor!

[–] don@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago

Toilet?!

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Oh, right, sure. Toilet. Yeah, definitely. Totally.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

because religion does not like masturbation.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Well......not the lame religions anyways.

I am a member of the church of jerk-offs. Walk in on sunday, and you're surrounded by jerkoffs

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Alternatives:

Shaking a raised fist

Double middle fingers

Fingers pointing up, thumb touching nose

Right fist thrusting under left hand

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago
[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 days ago

Also:

Right arm raised up and right, fingers extended

[–] ReadMoreBooks@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do any holy books actually describe or prescribe 'praying hands'? If so, what do they have to say about it?

Hinduism originated in the Indus River valley as a collection of oral traditions for a couple millennia. Then, 3000-3500 years ago, the Sanskrit word "namaste", meaning "bowing to you", and it's hands-together pose was documented in what's today the Hindu Vedas.

In the Vedas it symbolized the connection of the human and divine. Today "namaste" is commonly used as a respectful greeting. Instead of "namaste", in America we might say, "Thank you for inviting me to your home."

[–] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

And then when they ask you to leave their home, one can also reply "namaste".

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Idk about ally hat, I just wanted to say that emoji always makes me think of two people high fiving first, and I need to mentally change it to "no, it's probably praying".

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Holding hands is hard wired in us, it makes us feel secure on an instinctual level.

When someone prays alone, they hold their own hands and our brains are dumb enough to not know the difference.

When done with a group and you hold each other, it promotes group bonding as well.

It's like when they have you shake hands or hug your neighbor to begin with, it's the same psychological reaction as smiling because smiling makes you happy.

You're tricking your brain into thinking everything is fine and you're safe by going thru the motions.

It's much older than any religion that exists today, it's older than hominds.

[–] wick@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Idk but Pickle from Baki does it to so it must be significant.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

I wondered this the first time going to a temple or shrine in Japan. It's also quite common here. I wondered if maybe it came over with Buddhism and it made it's way into the now-mostly-unified Shinto practice (pre-meiji-restoration, beliefs and practices were a lot more local). It could also have come in at the time of christian missionaries, but that seems a lot less like especially since it persists after the christians were forced to leave, convert, or die (though hidden christians remained, often meeting in caves in the hills and such).

I think one would have to search through what written accounts of people remain, particularly those of outside observers in a new place.

I thought maybe it came from some older homo sapiens practice, but even things such as nodding for yes aren't consistent, so maybe not.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Jesus -who Christians believe to be God Himself- is described as looking up to Heaven to pray

John 17:1 ESV

When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, β€œFather, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you

He also fell on His face Matthew 26:39 ESV

And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, β€œMy Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”

I don't think this is biblical in origin

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Can't speak for anyone else, but I personally like the feeling of two equal and opposite forces pushing against each other, cancelling each other out and creating a firm, unchanged, structure no matter how much force is applied. I do the same while doing squats sometimes, pressing hands together while descending, and it feels more stable.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I’m sure there was some bullshit reason back in the day that is lost to us now. When I was in Catholic school they told us it was to make sure the prayers went straight to heavenπŸ™„

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here's the thing I never understood. Your parents die. You're at the funeral and everybody says "I bet they're looking down from heaven at you, right now."

So you're telling me your parents die, they get up to heaven, somehow get notice about when their own funeral is despite not even being on the same planet, have the ability to watch from across the galaxy at any given time.......and they choose to watch a bunch of depressed people in black suits cry over a box that contains their own corpse? And what about your grandparents? Were they watching over your parents before they died? What are they doing now? Is heaven so boring that it's inhabitants just spend eternity watching various generations of families? And what happens if you never have kids? What do they do when you die? Do they watch someone else? Do they watch while you're pooping? Do your dead ancestors watch you have sex, and know your kinks?

Yeah, religion starts falling apart real quick when you begin questioning things.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Apart from the Bible not saying much about the dead watching except from a vague

Hebrews 12:1 ESV

Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us

The idea of people looking down - while could be argued for in this verse - is moreso a human invention than scriptural in the case of Christianity. But the Roman Catholic Catechisms may have something to say about it

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 1 day ago
[–] Aarrodri@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago

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[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world -4 points 2 days ago

Pavlovian behaviour groomed into humanity by the cults leaders. Knees on the floor, grovelling at their masters, wishing for forgiveness for β€œsins” they haven’t committed.

[–] Aolley@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago

My opinion is that if there is more to 'this world' than we see, then there is likely a way to interact with those things in some way.

Like an antenna, your body is a transmitter and potential receiver of some electromagnetic waves (light, radiation, heat, etc), the shape and position in time and space may effect that.

It's likely that mudras or hand signs used while mediating and this post share a common source

[–] Bocky@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago

The Christian cult has big influence in the USA