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I’m more offended to be in Heaven in the first place. I mean, all the nutjobs were right after all? And only those nutjobs in my particular area of the world?

If everyone who ever lived is there, it's just an afterlife... And if literally everyone goes there, being offended that some people went there would be rather pointless

No.

I don't mind lax standards. I mind inconsistent ones.

Offended? Nah. I'm just annoyed that the christians were right all along.

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

So you're saying I have a chance to punch Hitler? 🤔

Buddy if the Christian conception of an afterlife is real I'm either gonna be chillin in the shade of a tree after a hard day's work or whatever, or standing hand in hand around some multi sword mouthed geometric acid trip of a god saying "holy" on repeat in a trip that would put eating all the LSD in history to shame.

Either way who cares.

A little offended, yeah. I definitely don't want to be stuck in the same eternal plane of existence as Hitler.

I'd ask if I could go to the Medium Place instead and hang out with Mindy.

I was raised LDS and while I no longer practice any religion I still think the Mormon concept of heaven is an interesting one.

(Imma skip some of the finer details here for clarity - but I'm happy to explain further if anybody has questions.)

Mormons believe that (almost) everyone goes to heaven - eventually. Upon death, evil people go to Hell until they repent their sins. After truly repenting and recanting their hateful ways, their soul ascends to heaven. The LDS concept of Hell isn't one of physical tortures - Hell is simply a perfect understanding of your sins - your own shame and regret, from truly understanding the pain you inflicted upon your spiritual siblings.

So ol' Adolf would be left to stew in a celestial timeout, alone with the weight of his sins - from every petty insult to the pain of every child slaughtered by his command. Damned to remain there until he is truly, utterly sorry. Not the false sorrow seeking to relieve the pain of a guilty conscience, but the harrowing sorrow that comes only with the true recognition of one's own responsibility and the willingness to do anything required to make amends and never sin again.

Any Hitler who emerged from Mormon Hell would be a very different person from the one who went in.

[Digression: regarding "almost" everyone going to heaven - if you want to be truly eternally damned in Mormon theology you have to follow a simple, two step process.

1. Have a "perfect knowledge" of God - e.g. meet Him face-to-face.
2. Act against Him anyway.

Mostly it's Lucifer and his minions that qualify. Maybe Judas Iscariot too. Such souls are damned to "Outer Darkness" from which there is no release. Still not a place of fire and brimstone though.]

Not at all. Now I get to suplex force ghost Hitler.

As a Christian Universalist, this is basically exactly what I hope for.

Much of what is the Christian Cinematic Universe is fanfic, which is to say its speculation based on clerical opinions and monastics that spent a lot of time doing menial labor and worldbuilding in their minds.

The scholarly consensus notes the is little actual information about Heaven, and much of what we have is not univocal (different, often conflicting opinions) and is based on Greek philosophers' models of the universe, not scripture.

That said, Christians who go to Heaven (according to modern Evangelical ministries) don't actually get to keep their identity. If you were to go to Heaven and meet Hitler, you wouldn't recognize Hitler, or remember who Hitler was or why Hitler was relevent in mortal life. Nor would the spirit Hitler remember the events of his own life. Essentially, you are two pure spirits serving as God's bonding particles.

As with social media TOS, the devil is (proverbially) in the details. There is no guarantee of your memories, the capacity to sense nature and enjoy your perceptions, the ability to reason, to learn, to experience. All these are features of the material world.

Your ministry will make up dogma on the spot to reassure you and keep you from reconsidering your faith, but ultimatrly, as Pope Francis even admits, Only God knows what happens in the afterlife, what of us still remains or if it exists at all.

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I'm a Christian Universalist, so that's exactly what I believe will happen.

Offended? I'll be really happy! It means that I'll get to meet all my family again, even though some of them were proper twats.

To be fair, murder gets a lot less horrible if the people you kill just get sent to paradise for eternity afterwards. Though of course there's still all the torture and slavery and that he wouldn't have thought this would happen, so it wouldn't be much of a defense for what he did, but it would lessen the severity a bit with that information added.

I'm not religious myself let alone a Christian, but I believe there is a group that follows this kind of "everyone gets in" logic, universalists

Not offended. It's more fair than Hitler being in hell, frankly. Assuming a god that's remotely similar to anything humans have typically dreamed up, having an afterlife set up to give infinite torture is insane:

• It's impossibly disproportionate (any "sin" is finite).
• It's pointless for purposes of reform, it's just sheer bloody-minded vengeance.
• It's not even useful as a threat to scare mortals into line since mortals presumably can't take any measurements of the afterlife. Just lie about Hell existing if that's what it's for.
• It's being done to "punish" sins that these gods set us up for in the first place. They're responsible for creating us in a manner that's capable of sin and putting us in this universe that allows it.

So I'd be perfectly fine with finding Hitler in heaven. He's not able to hurt anyone any more, that's the important thing.

I'd be surprised I'd be allowed in there in the first place, but I guess if Hitler got there the bar to entry is fairly low.

I'd have some questions to ask but I am guessing the complaint queue is very long considering all victims meeting their murderers in heaven and whatnot so I'll just go have a harp lesson or something.

No? Why the hell would I be offended?

Besides, chances are that were I born with Hitler's brain and environmental circumstances I'd likely have been a racist megalomaniac too.

Should the determination of whether we eternally suffer or have joy be the lottery of our births, biologies, and surroundings?

The term for this is "Christian Universalism".

ugh imagine life now but with even more people and no way to die

If that many people are there, I am unlikely to even notice Hitler.

I'd be more concerned with reuniting with my loved ones and trying to find a relatively uncrowded area to hang out in.

No, not offended. There is nothing a human could do that is as bad as sentencing someone to eternal torment. Eternal torment, ETERNAL, is an overreaction even if you explode the earth.

I would not be disappointed about who's in heaven. I would be disappointed that there is a god who seems to not care about his world.

Not offended. Technically, if the descriptions are to be believed, then it’s going to be the happiest place to be. So if I’m so happy, I probably won’t care

I'd be offended if I went there.

Am I even capable of offense? I seem to recall a lot of depictions of heaven and paradise suggesting that inhabitants are basically devoid of ill thinking.

I'm not offended, but I'm seeking out a few of the people who incessantly told me I'd burn in hell if I didn't live like they did while growing up to rub it in their nose that I made my own path in life and still got to the same place they did.

I'm not offended by that specifically but if there is a god I'd like to speak to his manager. We have some bigger overarching things to discuss.