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[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 39 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I see "anti-government" and "against government tyranny" in this story a lot, but these people are NOT anti-government. They're very pro-government, as long as the government uses its power to enforce their beliefs. They're very willing to use the power of government to enforce the laws as they see them, and ignore the laws they don't like.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Seriously. The monarchy they want is a form of government.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The only ones to blame for the rise of fascism are the fascists. They choose to support an ideology of bigotry and genocide. They choose to act that way.

All you're doing is enabling them by making them out to look like victims when they are anything but.

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I remember when trump was first elected and the media was hand wringing about how it was democrats fault for being mean to republicans, calling them deplorable and such and that rural voters were dealing with "economic anxiety". Fucking trash elects trash........why did the left do this? Makes my blood boil.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 4 points 8 months ago

Because decades of nonviolence used as propaganda made them easy to manipulate and abuse. That's why.

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

For the last 40 years, boomers have had a stranglehold on government power. And you know what they say. The good die young. What's left in charge are some of the most distilled evil, brain addled geriatrics. With little in the way of actual ideas about solutions. Only clinging desperately to power and relevance. To the detriment of everyone else.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The last time it got close to this bad, it ended up in the Oklahoma City Bombing.

What's going to happen this time?

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

I get what you're saying and I wonder also. But at the same time, the terrorism has been happening; look at all the racially motivated attacks we've seen since 2016.

I expect more. But to your point i wouldn't be surprised to see another major act of domestic terrorism on par with the Oklahoma City Bombing.

I feel like things are way, way worse than they were back then. Way worse than it's been since the civil rights era.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Which one?

To be clear I know which one you were referring to. But isn't it kinda fucked up that there's been enough that you might even have to stop to ask that for a second.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Remember, we outnumber these cunts.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (5 children)

But do we out-gun them?

I don't think any civilians should be able to own firearms, but those MAGA cunts own them and you can be damn sure I'm not going to let them get one up on me.

Everyone, buy a gun, train thoroughly, and don't let these assholes bully us into letting them run the country.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Unfortunately this is the way.

This isn't a game, the police will not protect us, that's been shown. They'll happily club an old lady to the ground and shoot you in the face with rubber bullets if you get near them. I tell my friends as often as I can now is the time. Get a gun or two (a long one a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic medic training (you just need to know how to stablize somebody). Start networking with like-minded people around you. Learn how to rely on yourself and your community. The rightwing wants to install a theocracy in the U.S. in disregard of whatever personal freedoms you hold dear and they're very close to accomplishing it.

[–] naughtyguy17@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 8 months ago

In Upstate NY? Most likely so. I grew up poor, in a family that relied on hunting for food. I'm significantly more financially secure now, but I've still two long barrels locked up with a fair amount of ammo.

Just in case.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

What's distressing is that while the extreme-right may be a minority, republican supporters are something like 40%+ of the US electorate. There are tens of millions of people who hold those views.

[–] Black_Char@kbin.social 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I always think it's funny how these hypocratic douchbags will wear masks in public to prevent people from recognizing them but wont wear one to save their neighbors life.
I also think it's funny how they claimed having military and police joining the groups that they know what they're doing, when these people spend their lives being told exactly what to do, how to do it, and what to think about it.
Last note, looked this one up just to be double sure, how they got a guy with the name Mizrahi to join a white power hate group when that name has origins rooted Jewish and Israeli cultures is beyond me. How people can be convinced to go against their own best interest is beyond me.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 9 points 8 months ago

Reminds me of the movie easy rider, and that movie was made in the sixties but its still so relevant, every time people start trying to live freely

“Oh no. What you represent to them is freedom.”

“What the hell’s wrong with freedom, man? That’s what it’s all about.”

“Oh yeah, that’s right, that’s what it’s all about, all right. But talkin’ about it and bein’ it – that’s two different things. I mean, it’s real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. ‘Course, don’t ever tell anybody that they’re not free ‘cause then they’re gonna get real busy killin’ and maimin’ to prove to you that they are. Oh yeah, they’re gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom, but they see a free individual, it’s gonna scare ‘em.”

“Mmmm, well, that don’t make ‘em runnin’ scared.”

“No, it makes ‘em dangerous.”
[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 months ago (5 children)

As a Democrat from upstate NY let me tell you why the rural areas are dark red: NYC seems to be all that matters.

[–] BenPranklin@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

At least 50% of NY's population lives within 50 miles of NYC and I wouldn't be surprised to find out its closer to 65%. Of course it gets the most attention. I get why people living outside that area would be upset but they cant be surprised.

You see the same thing in every state with a large metro area. You see similar griping from western and central MA but the fact is 75% of the population lives in the Boston metro area

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The issue, addressed in the article, is that these rural areas used to have industry that gave people a sense of purpose. Now the choices are basically move to a city, die of a heroin overdose, or join a right wing militia. We need to give these people something to do that's beneficial and where they feel they're contributing to their communities, otherwise, they're going to be wooed by groups with ulterior motives that dress their goals up in rhetoric of service and cohesion.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I mean we have crumbling infrastructure. You could probably start some sort of government program to have people work on that. Like the whole pipeline from education through training, building, maintaining, researching.

Unfortunately a chunk of the us is pathologically opposed to that sort of thing.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

used to have industry that gave [men] a sense of purpose

They need gender-affirming care.

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[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

its the same on the other coast... Seattle and the i5 area are what keep Washington blue. There are some deep red parts of Washington state and its frightening. As someone that looks like my father (Anglo Saxon) but identifies with my mother (Lakota), it is a surreal experience sometimes. People are fucking crazy and the people who think they are powerful (the deep red) because they are loud are going to have a very rude awakening if there is a violent revolution. They do not have the numbers to repel an angry populace that is fleeing the cities.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

That's the entire planet. Metropolitan places are metropolitan. Homogeneous places are filled with ignorance and prejudice.

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

As it should be, thats where the people are.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 5 points 8 months ago (7 children)

NYC matters a whole lot fucking more than Mechanicville. What do they even want?

NYC has a shit ton of economic and cultural output. It matters.

I get that people might feel bad that they're seen as irrelevant or uninteresting. But, uh, tough?

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[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Lack of diversity, the higher degree of isolation in rural/suburban life, and higher amount of churchgoers getting preached hate probably has something to do with it too.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Law and order? So they also want Trump in prison?

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

Don't forget gays, trans, Jews, Muslims, Catholics, unmarried women... anyone that isn't a white, Christian male.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Absolute dumbasses. The lowest achievers from high school, never left town, and signed up for Facebook one day, and now here we are.

In my state, claiming to be part of a militia, unless you've been specifically called up by the Governor, or activated by the feds somehow or another, is a felony.

These groups needs to be considered terrorists, their assets seized, and their presence made illegal. Their goal is the violent oppression of minorities in violation of the Constitution.

Long time ago the Supreme Court said advocating to overthrow the government is protected First Amendment speech, and that made sense when I learned about it but now I think it was a mistake, said from a place of great comfort.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Speaking peacefully about government change is not the same as forming an armed militia. Don't let them conflate those two things in your mind.

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[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago
[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Years ago I dated someone who lived in upstate New York. Her neighbor flew a Confederate flag. And also poisoned neighborhood cats.

[–] AirlineF0od@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That's unbelievably sad... 😞

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[–] Kanga@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So funny, the proud boys guy was of Mexican descent, the guy in this article seems of middle eastern descent, can they really be this dumb and support white supremacy ideology?

[–] Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Let us not forget the Founding member Proud Boys Gavin McInnes, who made an angry video sodomizing himself to own the libs. The proud boys REALLY don’t like talking about ol’ Gavin.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 9 points 8 months ago

post 2024 election, J6 2 electric boogaloo succeeds, some lawmakers are dead, others tied up

Enlightened centrists: Come on guys we can't take back the capital they're just sad about their local economy yeah they took congress but yall being mean and calling for them to be forcibly arrested is so much worse!

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My God! These hams aren't Steamed at all!

[–] TedZanzibar@feddit.uk 3 points 8 months ago

Not in Utica, no.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Upstate New York was the first place I saw the all black American flag.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So they claim it is NRA country, and that they are rattlesnakes that one should not tread on.

Add this together and deal with rattlesnakes the American way: Simply shoot them.

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