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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The only ones to blame for the rise of fascism are the fascists. They choose to support an ideology of bigotry and genocide. They choose to act that way.

All you're doing is enabling them by making them out to look like victims when they are anything but.

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I remember when trump was first elected and the media was hand wringing about how it was democrats fault for being mean to republicans, calling them deplorable and such and that rural voters were dealing with "economic anxiety". Fucking trash elects trash........why did the left do this? Makes my blood boil.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 4 points 8 months ago

Because decades of nonviolence used as propaganda made them easy to manipulate and abuse. That's why.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I know it's easy to see things that way but the reality is they're people and if we went to move into a better future then we're going to have to work out how to convince people to move forward with us.

It saddens me how many purportedly on the left seem to want nothing but conflict and violence. It feels like they're working to try and make things worse simply so they can feel some foolish sense of pride at being right or play out some childish freedom fighter fantasy.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 3 points 8 months ago

Yep it's definitely a fantasy and not a reaction to the rapidly growing percentage of Americans openly calling for violence against us. Preparing to defend oneself is not the same.

They're gonna be rounding up people and throwing bodies in ditches and you enlightened centrists will still be running defense for these fascists.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For the last 40 years, boomers have had a stranglehold on government power. And you know what they say. The good die young. What's left in charge are some of the most distilled evil, brain addled geriatrics. With little in the way of actual ideas about solutions. Only clinging desperately to power and relevance. To the detriment of everyone else.

[–] stratosfear@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is such a tiring generalization. Boomers, like the rest of Americans, had been detached from politics for much of their lives. You realize most every president has been near a 50/50 split for vote? It's not like Reagan won with 80% of the vote, which the majority voting age at that time was boomers.

Who has a stranglehold on government power is corporations. Fight the real enemy, not the people who for much of their lives (at least half of them) were trying to do the right thing.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I suggest we choose to fight at all. Which we haven't. Somehow for the last 6 years we all continue to talk most and act least.

[–] stratosfear@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 8 months ago

The simple fact is if everyone who was capable of voting did vote in their interests we would easily move the US left (actually getting us to somewhere center/left-center as there is no left whatsoever in America). Republicans would go away, we could move past Democrats, and directly address corruption.

But, "their" system of making people think voting doesn't matter (plus of course voter repression and gerrymandering) and keeping people focused on shit that doesn't matter (like ageism) is working, as it has for decades.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

It is a tired generalization. That's why I didn't make it. I wasn't talking about boomers in terms of this party or that party. But boomers as a block and their control of the positions of power in the parties.

[–] Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago

The average age in Congress is the highest ever, both things can be true.