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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 159 points 1 year ago (33 children)

Flaws:

  • fails to address leap years
  • fails to address 365th day
  • moon cycle will still slowly deviate
  • retains clunky 7-day week that doesn't interact will with decimal counting system

I like it, but I got an even better proposal. Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks. summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle. In leap years, new years is two days.

The 1st, 11th and 21st of each month are now Mondays, so you can tell the weekday of any date. Months are the same length just like in Jesse's proposal, but an even 30 instead of a clunky 28.

I've thought about this a lot

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 91 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Congratulations, you've successfully reinvented the Egyptian civil calendar, complete with the intercalary holidays and all. Literally the only change is to add weeks. And yes, it did work really well, especially since the feast could add or lose a day to adjust to a known reference (the rise and fall of the Nile in their case). I second this proposal to go back.

[–] sirdorius@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

Sounds a lot like the French Revolutionary Calendar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_calendar#Months

[–] Fogle@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] xenspidey@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Leap years and keep years

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This meme brought to you by your local landlord

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I came up with this independently years ago. It'll never catch on for the idiotic reason that you can't subdivide 13 like you can 12. 13 is a prime number, while 12 can be divided easily by 2, 3, 4, and 6. 12 is like the whore of simple math.

[–] BigT54@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but that only matters for months. We could instead just use weeks since there are 52 weeks per year, so a quarter would be 13 weeks instead of 3 months. It would be easier to determine how many weeks there are in a span of a couple months because it's not variable, or any number of months because they're just multiples of 4. I know a lot of people would be turned off by the system because the number 13 comes up so often and people are superstitious but it really would make things easier imo.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It really annoys the hell out of me that we don't use a better calendar. I think about this once a week at least. I feel like being stuck with the Gregorian calendar is a good example of why so many inefficient structures exist in society - some assholes centuries ago decided on a thing, and out of habit and laziness we've stuck with it since.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

just think of everything in terms of seconds from 1970 and itll all fall out

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[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

They programming community calls this technical debt.

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[–] Matcraftou@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this true??? If so WHY THE F... ARE WR STILL USING THE CURRENT CALENDAR.

Honestly I would be all for a new calendar if this is true

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

The main hiccup is the system is off by a day. Some people "fix" this by saying the extra day should be "new years day" or something similar that exists outside the main calendar and doesn't have an actual date or day assigned to it. Personally I think that's kind of silly but it does work.

The second problem which to me is a much bigger problem, is he argues every month starting on Monday is a feature, I think it's a bug. The result of this is every date is the same day, every year. If you are born on a Wednesday, your birthday will always be on a Wednesday. I like it mixing up and getting to have your birthday on different days.

Also almost everyone will have a new birthday they have to learn and too many people would simply be unwilling to go along with that.

And all that is ignoring the monumental task of changing every computer system in the world.

Edit: also 13 is just kind of a rubbish number to work with and doesn't divide into anything nicely.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Excellent discussion actually.

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[–] vancent@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The issue is that 13 is not divisible by anything, so we can't split the year by halves or quarters like we do now.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I just wish a year had 360 days so each day gives you a clean one degree of angular movement (or we defined a full revolution around an axis as 365 degrees. Actually, anyone know why we didn't do that?)

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

360 isn't as arbitrary as you think and was chosen specifically for its divisibilty. 365 doesn't divide well by much of anything.

[–] Deuces@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd always heard that it was because the ancient sumarrians thought there were 360 days in a year combined with the fact that their holy number was 60 so it divided cleanly.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The prime factors of 365 is 5 and 73, hence a month should either be 73 days and there should be 5 of them, or there should be 73 months with 5 days each.

Mathematical perfection!

[–] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Problem here is there's actually 365.25 days in a year, the .25 is why we have leap years.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Ok, thats fine, we'll just... The factors of 365.25 are: 487¹×3¹×2⁻²

Wait....

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem here is that 0.25 is actually an overestimate by about 3 in every 400 years. That's why we don't have leap years on every hundredth year, but we do have them again every 400. (And, of course, you can get even more precise than that.)

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[–] SpezBroughtMeHere@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

But that's only 364 days. Which month gets the extra day, throwing the while thing off?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

On new years eve at midnight we stop the clocks for 1.24 days, then start them again.

[–] SexyTimeSasquatch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You could have one day outside of all months. It could be a holiday or something.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thirteen month calendar is called the International Fixed Calendar. George Eastman instituted its use at the Eastman Kodak Company back in 1928, and it was used there until 1989.

[–] Lilith_the_serpent@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All indigenous people around the world knew the wisdom of the turtle .... It's almost as it white man severed the connection between the people and the sun ....

Wtf is this woo woo garbage lmao

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't you know the world sits on the back of a giant turtle??

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only authority I’ve seen that pushes 13 months is WMATA in DC, so they can charge you 13 times per year for a metro pass instead of 12. I always felt like that was some BS.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I just thought of something that could be better,

Scrap months altogether, just divide the year into quarters of 13 weeks each, name them for the seasons, Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, there isn't really a reason why we need months specifically, if it's to shorten date numbers then count by week number and day number

Day/Week/Quarter/Year

Today's 7/8/4/23

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Preferably year/quarter/week/day but good idea

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[–] potterpockets@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In keeping with tradition though we can only do this if we add the new month after August and name it Tiber.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For The Emperor!

[–] ScrotusMaximus@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Lousy Smarch weather

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[–] bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like 10 months each with 6 weeks of 6 days each for a total of 360 days and a 5 day holiday at the end of every year (6 days during a leap year)

But Jesse really has opened my eyes to the possibility of a lunisolar calendar.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago

Lousy Smarch

[–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fun fact: this calendar exists and was in use by Eastman Kodak for most of its existence:

International Fixed Calendar

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

itt: 13 * 28 = 365.25

[–] autumn64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

Aztec and mayan calendars iirc was 18 months of 20 days each and 5 extra days at the end of the year.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I would like to point out the biggest difficulty this faces.

There are about as many different ideas for new formats, complete with arguments about how they'd be the best one, as there are comments in this thread. And those arguments mostly hold up too.

A new format is never going to work because no one will be able to agree on what the best one is.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

So here's what'd be a better alternative when considering seasons and quarters

March, June, September, and December are all 35 days long, every other month is 28 days long.

Day 365 is Year's End Day outside of the Calendar months, and Leap Day is an additional holiday inserted before January 1st when it happens.

The last adjustment I'd make is the Saint Monday plan, which is to say, make Monday a weekend day.

It's named after the moon, you see the moon at the end of the day, so the moon's day is the end of the week!

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