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It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk He’s telling us what he will do to his political enemies if he’s president again. Is anyone listening?

I feel pretty safe in saying that we can now stop giving him the benefit of that particular doubt. His use—twice; once on social media, and then repeated in a speech—of the word “vermin” to describe his political enemies cannot be an accident. That’s an unusual word choice. It’s not a smear that one just grabs out of the air. And it appears in history chiefly in one context, and one context only.

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[–] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 198 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk

So, the situation remains unchanged.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 109 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I remember pointing out that trump was using Nazi rhetoric during his ‘16 campaign.

The number of people that argued with me about how it was an exaggeration. Makes me want to scream.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone who says he wasn't is willfully ignorant so they don't have to admit they support facism, or unironically ignorant and falling victim to what facism does best: take advantage of the uneducated

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

They weren't the sorts of people to listen to his rallies, etc. Mostly just caught the highlights and sound bites. So when rhetoric started they were mostly... unwilling to accept that. it was just... inconceivable.

[–] Chuymatt@artemis.camp 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel we are experiencing Cassandra Syndrome.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago

He's been using Nazi talk since day one. "Fake news" is the most glaring example, which is just the most recent take on Lügenpresse.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

His entire existence is a Nazi dog whistle.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but it's worth noting that it's now just a regular whistle.

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[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Almost kinda worse, if that's possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump

The man is completely empty of any significant value systems. He just does what works for him. Currently he's obviously calculating that being a nazi works.

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 57 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Anyone still unclear to the concept? This is his play book, his manual. Nothing else. If you don't recognize it, shame on you and your history teacher.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean, the only book he's known to possess is one with Hitler's speeches.

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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is anyone listening?

Yes, his base is, and they love it.

[–] UnspecificGravity@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 11 months ago

That's exactly it, and this is also why the media CONSTANTLY "discovering" that Trump is a Nazi is just signal boosting his campaign content.

Maybe in another eight years they will move on from "dae notice that Trump is a racist fascist Nazi?" And instead start saying "don't vote for racist fascist Nazis, do this instead."

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He also said upon reelection that he'd oust government officials not loyal to him and immediately begin deporting mass waves of people, including those living in the US legally.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-policies-agenda-election-2024-second-term-d656d8f08629a8da14a65c4075545e0f

[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Trump doesn't care about government employees defending the constitution, he wants government employees loyal to HIM. If Trump had enough people like this last time the United States democracy would be over.

Stop voting for Republicans. They are un-American and don't believe in our democracy.

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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] shiftenter@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Is that eagle... shooting a machine gun?

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[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's an interesting use of the word "now".

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[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Excuse me we already have a Vermin candidacy. Trump's gonna have to get something else.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

Also reminiscent of the Rwandan genocide, when the slaughtered Hutu were called cockroaches.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/04/15/rwandan-who-called-tutsis-cockroaches-in-1992-gets-life-sentence/

[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The guy is facing like dozens of criminal charges. How can someone like that run for presidency in the first place?

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Innocent until proven guilty. It's important to remember that.

However, I'd argue the President of the United States should be held to a higher standard than merely "not convicted."

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Hasn't he now said things in open court multiple times that would be taken as direct admissions coming from anyone else?

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Not convicted" is actually not a requirement. Being a natural born US citizen and at least 35 of age are the only ones, although specific convictions could bar him from holding specific offices.

If all of his lawsuits remain undecided until the elections there is nothing stopping him (and presumably finding a way to pardon himself ex post facto somehow).

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[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

On the other end of the "things I support" spectrum, Eugene Debs kept running as a socialist for president even after he was put in jail (for a speech against the war)

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[–] lemmus@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

He’ll be borrowing “human animals” from the Israeli government soon.

[–] IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

I opened this thread for Vermin Supreme comments.

I was not disappointed.

Thank you Lemmy, thank you.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Democrats need to go off script and run a fresh face with thick skin and a mouth that can pick Trump apart.

Andrew Santino for president!

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[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Since we all seem to know where this is headed, could we all chip in on a Kickstarter to get Trump a bunker, just to be sure that ball's rolling?

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[–] alternative_factor@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm sure Trump has some kind of solution to this "vermin problem"! /s

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

A concluding solution? Some kind of ultimate solution?
Crikey, surely there must be a 'final' way to say this...

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 11 months ago (8 children)

And every single poll has him winning in 2024. Anything can happen in the next 12 months, but damn, how is support for him so high?

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 32 points 11 months ago

One thing to keep in mind is to think about what kind of person actually participates in polls, and how that type of person will tend to lean politically (hint, old retired people)

That being said, fascism has happened continuously all throughout history for a reason. people like it when they think it's on "their side". A lot of conservative voters genuinely think America would be a better place if the democratic party was forcibly eliminated, and so they're not only fine with what Trump is saying, they're enthusiastic about it.

Combine the human tendency for populism with decades of conditioning from outlets like Fox News that conservatives are the only "real Americans" and that the "radical left" is hell bent on destroying their lives, raping babies, and turning their sons into daughters, and you have a large population of voters who genuinely think that democracy is bad if it means "the other side" gets to win.

Many Fascist movements start out with enthusiastic support from at least a large chunk of their population (Hitler was elected), by the time people realize that fascism only ever actually benefits those at the top, it's too late

[–] joker125@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Skewed polling.

This is your daily reminder to vote responsibly in 2024.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago

Only ancient boomers answer their phones to respond to political pols.

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People have been talking about the unindicted traitor since J6 and the media pretends Nazis hushing up means no one is talking about it. Anyone still pretending he's a legitimate candidate for office has their head up their ass.

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

He was elected once and I hate to say it but there's still a chance he'll be elected again. He isn't legitimate in the sense that he has no sense of decorum or history or human decency but he could be elected.

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[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

Sure, and the kill-billies who support you when they're not shooting up black churches and Wal-Marts are upstanding American citizens.

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 18 points 11 months ago

with a white circle and a black cross

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (5 children)

his lawyers are reading him Mein Kampf during breaks. It's woking

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[–] Stowaway@midwest.social 16 points 11 months ago

Oh man free advertising for vermin Supreme.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This sounds much too coherent for it to be something he wrote himself. That doesn't make it better. It probably makes it worse. He's still spouting Nazi slurs and may not even be aware of it because he has no awareness of history.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 11 months ago

Every time I think it can't get worse… This fucker is a pro. I need to stop underestimating him. Speed-run to fascism in less than a decade.

[–] Inmate@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Think of every no nonsense, tough American you've met. If you've been to jail, the military, hard labor sites, kitchens, factories, barrios, hoods and warzones you know exactly who I'm talking about.

A pussy who has never seen a real ordeal in his entire life just called a majority of them "vermin" for internet points with mongoloids, and thinks it's a great idea to begin threatening them with the idea of "being crushed" by him and his "power," the likes of which places him among luminaries like Scott Baio and Kid Rock.

I can't wait for the world to see what finally happens to him, what we're gonna do to him--one way or another--it will be wild for them to watch 🤣, our proudest days are ahead of us!

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