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It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk He’s telling us what he will do to his political enemies if he’s president again. Is anyone listening?

I feel pretty safe in saying that we can now stop giving him the benefit of that particular doubt. His use—twice; once on social media, and then repeated in a speech—of the word “vermin” to describe his political enemies cannot be an accident. That’s an unusual word choice. It’s not a smear that one just grabs out of the air. And it appears in history chiefly in one context, and one context only.

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[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The guy is facing like dozens of criminal charges. How can someone like that run for presidency in the first place?

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Innocent until proven guilty. It's important to remember that.

However, I'd argue the President of the United States should be held to a higher standard than merely "not convicted."

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hasn't he now said things in open court multiple times that would be taken as direct admissions coming from anyone else?

[–] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I'm civil court. I don't think he's testified in any criminal cases yet. Maybe I'm wrong.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I'm civil court

Nice to meet you

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Guys, what else do you say to anthropomorphic personifications?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Wouldn't matter, as long as it's entered in open court it's admissable as evidence.

[–] SheDiceToday@eslemmy.es 1 points 11 months ago

Statements in civil court are admissible. He is allowed to take the 5th if it concerns criminal activity, it's just a bad thing because in civil court the worst is assumed of what was asked.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Not convicted" is actually not a requirement. Being a natural born US citizen and at least 35 of age are the only ones, although specific convictions could bar him from holding specific offices.

If all of his lawsuits remain undecided until the elections there is nothing stopping him (and presumably finding a way to pardon himself ex post facto somehow).

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

He will appeal any and everything. He's litigious and has enough funds to run this for a while.

He's also a former president so he'll count on special standing.

Convictions may - or should - move votes, but I fully expect him to be on ballots throughout the nation next year. A few states may use the 14th Amendment, but if any states prevail in that, I don't expect they were likely to go for him anyhow.

Someone will tell me I'm wrong, but states that want Trump enough do shady things. Also, anyone coming here with a sirens song about how Trump will be convicted and the DOJ really knows this matters... Let's see how this goes. I'm sure they're serious. I'm also sure the justice system will give him every chance to prove himself not guilty.

We must beat him at the ballot box. And we should prepare that way.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

On the other end of the "things I support" spectrum, Eugene Debs kept running as a socialist for president even after he was put in jail (for a speech against the war)

[–] FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you said it yourself. He's FACING criminal charges. He hasn't been convicted of anything. Remember in America you're innocent until PROVEN guilty. You've made up your mind about him, but the law hasn't, yet...

[–] YeOldeDickTwist@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Sounds like you've made up your mind on Trump 😂 just another in denial