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[–] Luccus@feddit.de 136 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If my 3D printer has a problem, it's not working properly.

When my 2D printer throws a fit, it's because it's doing its job of being a vicious piece of shit perfectly.

Important difference.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

3D printer: failed the print because you tried to print a whole ass gun in 30 minutes. 2D printer: failed the print because you tried to print a picture of a duck and the DRM detected it as a copyrighted image.

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[–] Hauskrampf@ttrpg.network 84 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thing is, we definitely could have 100% reliable printers with good reparabilty, but capitalism gotta capitalism

[–] PoopMonster@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just get a color laser printer, learn how to refill toner carts and buy or flash the chips. Even a monkey can do that! /s

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Scraping those fucking chips off the cartridges like a crackhead scraping resin is a nightmare.

[–] PoopMonster@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

My last flash was a random ass script I found on github and 3 alligator clips one the chip pads to reset it, jabky af but felt soooo nice being able to reset it on my own.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's funny because 3d printers are cheaper to purchase, maintain, and supply for

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yeah, but try printing out your kid's book report on one.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Totally doable, use a multicolor printer and print it like 3 layers thick - you'll get thin flexible plastic sheets.

Not actually practical, but totally doable lol

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Just do a midprint filament swap... Looking at getting into TPU at the moment, it might actually be a fun way to have my kid hand something short in. 3 layers of white, 0.12mm per layer, swap to black and print 3 layers more. I'd be concerned about stringing and delamination. But it's pretty close to the heated bed, so mostly stringing. Fuckit we're going to try!

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[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Easy enough to convert it to a pen plotter. You can 3d print the attachment first, then use it to have it move a pen around with G-code.

[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Totally could

You'd need two filament colors, and it would take a while just to do one page. If it's a five pager then it could take hours. And then you'd have to turn in a big stack of plastic slabs. If you accidentally print a typo-

... Yeah, point taken

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Actually, the problem isn't that we haven't nailed 2D printers. The problem is we have. Which is why they have to do artificial bullshit like the LOW CYAN thing to make money selling you ink that you do not actually need.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah. If you get a high-end kyocera or other office printer, that bad boy will print 30k pages a year without complaint. It will cost you $800-$15,000 but it wont make your life hell.

If you spend $79.95 on a hp inkjet, you curse yourself.

[–] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is the way. If you just need B&W, a decent $200 laser printer will last forever on one cartridge. I've had my Brother printer for 10 years or so and only replaced the toner twice.

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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The problem is we deliberately make everything wrong so that it breaks. You can't buy a good product once capitalism gets into full swing, because everything that justified its existence was a lie and the only thing that matters is money - not the world, not the people, just this fake paper bullshit that isn't really worth anything and is just a status symbol that allows you to buy more status symbols.

When most people use the word removedry, this is the sort of thing they're describing, not gay people. The word was evolving in this direction before everyone decided to pull a "satanic panic" on it.

edit: lmfao the word is autoremoved, case in point. why we doin so much censorship here? reddit is not a model to follow

[–] brightandshinyobject@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What is the word? Can you s-p-@-c-3-i-t-o-u-t?

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

With how much more reliable and easy to use 3d printers are, I'm saying we need to move on to 4d printers

Yeah, 3D printer stuff has lots of open source and open hardware going on so its a big improvement over 2D in that aspect

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

Page comes out decaying, crumbling, “send help” message scrawled across it because you forgot to refill the time dilation cartridge

[–] atocci@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I've never had a driver problem with my 3D printer

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can I just 3D print my documents?

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I mean you could. It would be slower more expensive and less practical than inkjet or laser printing, but there is nothing keeping you from fixing a piece of paper in the 3d printer and have it "write" on it with the molten plastic.

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[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And I'm over here, with a laser printer, laughing at everyone's "printer not working" issues. Hasn't let me down ever and is a speed demon.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago

And I'm over here, ~~with a laser printer~~ with 20 year old HP inkjet printer, laughing at everyone’s “printer not working” issues. Hasn’t let me down ever ~~and is a speed demon.~~ but the high-DPI setting takes 20 minutes per A4 page to create near-laser quality.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Laser printers are definitely the way to go, but still not 100% without problems. Every once in a while I get some bullshit messages about my magenta toner not being compatible, but unplugging it for a minute seems to fix it.

[–] partmussels@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A Brother, no idea what model or anything, googled a bit and took the most recommended color one

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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My 3D printer works better than my 2D printer

[–] You999@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which is exactly why you should use your 3D printer as a 2D plotter to print things.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder how right-to-repair will change the printer market.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 year ago

Probably why they are fighting it so hard

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

No, 2d printer tech is fine. It's the ink scam cycle for them that are the problem. There's literally no functional reason they couldn't all use the exact same few cartridges. Capitalism ruins everything.

[–] Fleur__@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Capitalism RUINED the printer

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 13 points 1 year ago

The irony is that making an Open Source 3D Printer is far more accessible and affordable than making an Open Source 2D printer.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Colour laser printers have been around for long enough that they're a decent value. If you buy cheap HP inkjet slop, don't blame capitalism when they try to wring you for more money

[–] Devi@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have one of these at work. It throws a fit roughly 5 times a day.

One occasional issue is that it claims it has a blockage, it doesn't, it wants you to open and close one of the doors.

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[–] lipilee@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Let's add one more D, that'll fix all the reliability issues!"

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[–] brossman@infosec.pub 10 points 1 year ago

we should have stopped making new printers after the HP LaserJet 4, it's all been downhill since then

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Resin printers are the laser printers (in a few cases, literally) of the 3D world.

Filament are the inkjets, super likely for something to go horribly wrong because of a tiny miscalculation.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah except the ink is super toxic and will make your room smell awful and give you cancer for touching the final product for resin printers which generally isn't true of your book report

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[–] deur@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

Theres nothing inherently wrong with traditional 3D printers though? You can get high reliability from multiple printers on the market.

cyan low sweet chariot

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Carmack, drop that Meta already, it's time for a 2,5D printer!

[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

we have nailed 2D printers. enshittification in the name of profits ruined them. i recommed epson eco-tank printers by the way. no subscription and one 10€ bottle lasts for hundreds of pages.

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[–] JohnBon@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

2d printers are hellspawns. Period.

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