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If you fail to use the /s tag or specifically call out that your comment is sarcastic, I'm going to treat it as being earnest. I might ask if you're being sarcastic, but I will downvote as though you are being earnest.

The /s tag not only clarifies, but it also confirms that you're being sarcastic. A thing you cannot ordinarily convey via written text unless you specifically call it out. You can hint at it, readers can infer it, but you cannot convey it. To convey it, sans directly stating it, you would need to include a recording of you speaking the comment, which defeats the whole point of text chats.

"It definitely reads as sarcasm, you're just missing it" So what? I'm neurodivergent. I barely get this shit in its normal, spoken context. Why should I be expected to understand the implied sarcasm in your text comment?

"Telling someone you're being sarcastic ruins it" Unless your definition of sarcasm is just lying to someone's face, you do indicate sarcasm when speaking. Via the exaggerated, deadpan tone you use. Something you can't convey in written text unless you specifically call it out.

"I made it very clear via hyperbole that it was sarcasm" Have you talked to people? Your obvious, over-the-top, hyperbolic sarcasm could just be someone's opinion taken whole cloth. In fact, you probably modeled your exaggeration AFTER a person. Can you see why, if I don't know you, there's no way to tell?

"I forgot the tag" cool, if I see the edit adding it back in, I'll revert my downvote. Consider it the opportunity cost of forgetting.

"It doesn't hurt anyone" Yes, it does. You give credence to your exaggerated position that you would never take because the people who think like that exaggerated position will point to your comment as proof that they have support. It's why 4chan rebirthed nazism.

"I still won't do it". Then have fun with the downvote. You want to make the internet worse? I'll be sure that you don't get the internet points your brain craves.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

Definitely an unpopular opinion, but it's one that's catching on for sure. Great post, no sarcasm.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

For the record, there is actually no necessarily discernable difference between sarcasm and lying to someone's face. People that are very sarcastic will often not adjust their delivery whatsoever. The whole point of sarcasm is to be somewhat plausible and convincing, after all.

The only real difference is in the motive to be humorous, which is just not necessarily discernable. This is why sarcasm is usually not used with complete strangers irl, since they won't know the person well enough to necessarily detect it, unless you grossly exaggerate it. Which is basically the same as an irl /s, where you deliver it in either an exaggerated deadpan or an almost singsong fashion to make it very blatant. Even in these cases, the person will often offer a polite apology for using sarcasm with a stranger, since it's kinda broadly felt that that's just not a great idea.

Ultimately sarcasm is predicated on the idea that people's casual words should not be trusted though, which is just generally good advice anyway. Trust systems, not people, unless you know them well. Words are simply too cheap, they're as often a toy as they are some serious information transfer mechanism.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I honestly didn't think this would be as unpopular as the responses make it seem. I used to be against using /s because "it makes it less fun" but way too many people get the wrong message. I decided to start using it because I want people to understand me correctly. It's that the point of communicating with people?

IRL I try to be more over the top, but even then (like OP and others pointed out) if the person doesn't know your baseline then they might think you are being serious. It has happened to me countless times.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Completely disagree. Sarcasm is much funnier if you play it straight.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can agree with this statement for real life interactions, but online you can't pick up the nonverbal cues.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can think this is funny and be able to pick up on the sarcasm, but it doesn't mean everyone else can.

I still think /s is valid. I'm not like OP and I don't go out of my way down voting. However, I think the problem is when someone doesn't pick up on your sarcasm, and then you were to dismiss their comment and double down on, "just sarcasm bro" instead of fixing how you communicate to people. I'm not talking about rare outliers. I wish it was rare. I just notice people have more problems communicating with sarcasm in text.

Not that any of this matters at the end of the day.

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago
[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unpopular opinion:

So you can downvote. It's OK. Downvotes are part of the communication. Downvotes don't kill anybody.

I am allowed not to give a damn whether you understand my texts or not, or whether you downvote or not.

I set the /s when I feel like it, not when you need it.

Even if you are mod - these higher beings who do not have to explain or justify their shortcomings - yes, many of them lack understanding in about the same manner as you do.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Sounds good to me, I'm not trying to tell you what to do. Just what I'm doing. And I'm not a mod. I don't have the patience to deal with people.

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As someone who doesn't use the /s and regularly gets downvoted as a result, I'm less interested in your downvote and more interested in why anyone upvotes.

For example, if we're discussing American healthcare and you're arguing for universal healthcare because it makes sense, I'm likely to respond sarcastically with "But that's socialism! In America, we'd rather pay and arm and a leg to die from preventable diseases than just secure healthcare! That's true patriotism!"

Now, if you were to take that at face value, I'm curious as to who you think would genuinely argue for excessive payments to die from preventable diseases so blatantly. Literally no one does that. That's not giving credence to an exaggerated position because it's not an actual position anybody would take. But your reaction is beside the point, because I'm not interested in you.

I'm interested in the people who agree with my sarcastic position, often by tamping down the hyperbole, because they're unreasonable. These are people I'm trying to catch with my vinegar honey pot. It might giving credence to their views long enough for them to respond positively to me, but after that...it's all mudslinging. And if someone says they oppose universal healthcare because it's socialist, well then I get to have being extremely sarcastic with them while you get downvote me.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago

...but in his mind his political opponents aren't people with different points of view. They're stupid people who hold the exaggerated position you laid out without a hint of irony.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Seeiously, what a brilliant idea. Should go really well for OP.

[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 11 points 1 month ago
[–] neineinein505@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For me /s has always meant that someone was being serious. /s

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Isn't that what /srs is for? /s was sarcasm before any other tonal indicators.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 1 month ago
[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It really doesn't help that most people use /s not when they're being sarcastic but when they are mocking those with opposing views.

Unfortunately it's hard to employ such mockery in text as you just end up repeating the arguments you're trying to refute.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I’ve felt this on both sides. It’s no fun “giving up the joke” by tagging it, but the simple truth is sarcasm comes across poorly in text, especially when the audience is made up of strangers.

You almost always need to use the /s tag when using sarcasm in online discussions.

[–] RandomGen1@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

My preferred way around this is to spoiler the tag, since there's a few other tags of this sort floating around: /j (joking), /hj (half-joking), /srs (serious) for a few examples. Doing that still gives you a moment of not giving up the joke, but it's still ultimately there for anyone that wants or needs it

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

Two days ago I wrote an overly sarcastic comment but it was late at night and apparently I both made it sound too realistic and didn't put an /s - I didn't think anyone would think anyone could be that stupid.

Turns out a lot of people assumed I seriously thought that my fictional dog's vets were more likely to suggest euthanasia if they are Asian because I believed they used the corpses for meat and handed me fake ashes. I'll definitely make sure to use /s in the future now. To both avoid looking like a racist conspiracy theorist and a dog owner.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 9 points 1 month ago

Great idea.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dont use it when I'm shitposting.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Assuming we're talking as OP, I think the community covers the intent.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I shitpost outside of shit posting communities in the comment section all the time

Obviously we need to abandon our tools for fighting disease

This is an example of I comment I made in some news forum about antivaxxers or something. People did not seem to miss the sarcastic nature of the comment.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Fair enough

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

One of those cases where the post deserves an upvote for being !c appropriate, but strictly speaking we are never going to see eye to eye. If my sarcasm doesn't land, I don't deserve the stupid little doots.

[–] bear@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You didn't know, but without your singular up vote the whole internet would have finally completed its evil plans and the entire world would have shattered and crumbled to dust.

[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Brilliant idea.

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 6 points 1 month ago

OP: *Posts an unpopular opinion on the unpopular community

Gets downvoted

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Must suck ass never being able to tell when someone is being sarcastic through context.

[–] salmoura@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 1 month ago

I didn't know one could be so based.

Upvoted because I disagree.

And since I disagree with your opinion, I will be appending /s to every single comment I write from now, including this one, just to spite you. Is this sarcasm or not? Who knows, that /s at the end means nothing now. Post-irony, here I come /s

[–] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But why does it deserve a downvote?

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

*assuming the position would be a really shitty one, since it's sarcastic, downvote as though it's earnest.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Maybe don't take the internet or "upvotes/downvotes" so seriously. This whole screed comes across as rather silly. People have rendered voting on comments completely useless as they'll do it to completely noninflammattory, on-topic comments they simply don't like for reasons only clear to them. Additionally, the idea that anyone cares about a particular individuals criterion for voting on comments is a rather self-important view.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Sounds like you're the one who misses out in this case? Lol

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

God I'd hate to have such poor reading comprehension. You'd last about a minute in UK based communities lol

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hi, I'm neurodivergent. Reading comprehension ain't got anything to do with it.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago

Me too and yes it does

[–] PenisDuckCuck9001@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 month ago

Kalama ate my dog it's true I saw it on the internet /s

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 points 1 month ago

What a fucking psycho. /s

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh no a downvote, how will we ever live without your approval?

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh no! Using sarcasm to create a strawman out of what I'm saying? Whatever shall I do? I suppose I must die, now and forever. Bleh! /s

Yeah, it's all the ammo I got, but it's better than endlessly arguing the need for the tag with an ever-changing cast of opposition. Cause that's exhausting

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Yes I always tell me I am being sarcastic in real life because that a normal thing to do

[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

In real life we have things like tones and inflections. On the Internet we have text and some emojis a lot of people are seemingly allergic to

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Apologies. To clarify rather than being emoji snarky, it's fine if you don't understand what I'm saying, but I'm specifically stating that in face-to-face interactions the intent would be for the person to know you're being sarcastic. It wouldn't need to be stated. That ability tends to be lost in text forums, especially with strangers, which is why the sarcasm tag exists. And thus why I shall give no further quarter on this.

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