"The United States needs 7 million immigrants to keep the blood of the capitalist machine running or else it'll have to add taxes to the rich 😱"
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You know the ones who, at the same time, want to pay people to "support boomers" a non-livable wage are many of the same ones who need the boomers' vote to stay in power... Something tells me the solution to both problems is in there... 🤷🏼♂️
Or ya know, pay people more
Or eliminate the cap on the tax so they actually pay their fair share. That would fix all the problems that Social Security and Medicare have in an instant.
Removing the cap would go a long way, but it's not enough by itself. We'll still need more people, or a time machine with a fertility clinic in it. From what I can tell, boomers seem to be thinking we're going to find that time machine somehow.
I've never seen any math that disproved that. Now if you're looking at actual federal income tax paid, maybe, but social security tax is based on income, it doesn't get reduced by often fraudulent deductions and credits. So a lot more income is taxable under social security tax than federal income tax which is laden with loopholes and complexities. So when Jeff Bezos in 2007 paid $0 in income tax, he likely would have paid tens or hundreds of millions in Social Security tax if there wasn't a cap, because he did have income. Of course, we aren't legally able to get the actual numbers because of privacy laws, but there have been some leaks recently if you want to see some of the numbers.
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2022/11/social-security-reform-options-to-raise-revenues
There's a ton of right wing sites that would tell you eliminating the cap is a complete waste of time horrible for the economy, bringer of the end of days, etc.
Bezos, like many ultra wealthy, most likely paid himself some token amount in wages. Many CEO's used to pay themselves $1, just to say they had an income. They have accountants that decide how much he should claim as wages, just to maximize the returns from Social Security, without paying into it any more than needed.
And the guy who leaked the tax info of the billionaires got sentenced to prison beyond the maximum threshold - because the judge explicitly wanted to make an example of him.
That's why abortion has been under fire for decades and contraceptives are next, which i bet wil make the Korean 4b movement explode here.
Which then begs the question of will we back off cause birth rates are generally unaffected but with less "for fun" sex or go full handmaids tale.
I make a little more than double the cap. I'm in favor of increasing or eliminating the cap but that would double my check in the future. (Not quite, I haven't made double the cap my entire working life, but it would increase it a lot.) That would still help a bit because not all of our withholdings go to basic social security. Some goes to disability, spousal benefits, etc. Increasing taxes and benefits proportionally, which is the way benefits are structured now, doesn't solve anything.
I believe social security has a lot of value so I'm in favor of not just fixing the funding, but expanding it as well. But if you want to make it healthier just with payroll taxes they would have to be progressive, like income tax, without increasing benefits.
Seems like you don't know how the SS bend points work.
I can't think of a more fitting punishment for all of those elderly MAGA boomers who have alienated their entire families by being hateful and disgusting dying because of a lack of good elder care due to their hatred of immigrants.
I would rather see them live, and suffer the constant knowledge that they can do nothing without the help of their immigrant caregivers; who I hope are LGBTQ as well.
My mom is one of these hateful MAGAts, but loves the "nice Mexican lady" that cleans her apartment for such a reasonable price.
Don't worry, they have enough cognitive dissonance to not be bothered by this in the least.
Yeah I was about to say these people spent a lifetime using immigrant labor. They probably still get kicks out of having someone beneath them wipe their asses
If they can find that someone. Sounds like they may not be able to. Good.
On the contrary, they don’t have any cognitive dissonance, that’s why they’re not bothered—dissonance suggests they feel discomfort in holding their opposing views
They’re just really good at doublethink
On the contrary, they don’t have any cognitive dissonance, that’s why they’re not bothered—dissonance suggests they feel discomfort in holding their opposing views
They’re just really good at doublethink
I think it would be funnier to have them cared for by immigrants
Funny for us, maybe. I wouldn't want to inflict them on the poor immigrant workers though. There's only so much hate crime a 90 year old man can get up to but by gee by golly he's gonna put the effort into it.
I don't want them being assholes to even more people.
The US will do anything except tax rich people
It’ll trickle down. Ronnie said it would.
"We need 7 million migrants!"
"Sorry, best I can do is a border wall made out of shipping containers. Promises made, promises kept."
Don’t forget the abortion bans and the push from people like Elon Musk to have more children (with no financial incentive to do so, of course)
Why do they need immigrants? There are people here now who need jobs, they can do it.
If I hear “immigrants will accept lower wages” one more fucking time I’m going to lose it, that’s just an intentional creation of a lower class, it’s feudalistic and coercive. Same thing with farm labor. Pay a reasonable amount and local people will do it.
It also gets corporations of the hook and uses immigrants as a scapegoat. The argument shouldn't be "immigrants will accept lower wages," it should be "companies should be paying higher wages." Even for immigrants.
It's the same shit with offshoring. They do it because they can pay people less.
It's always fucked with me.
Because no, no human is worth less than others based on geographic location or local economy or where you came from originally.
If you're educated enough to do the same job as a US citizen, and you're working for a company based in the US, you should get equivalent pay to your US counterparts. You're not worth less as a human because you're from a different area.
It's fucking disgusting, I've thought it was disgusting my whole life. It's nothing but exploitation.
It hurts people in the USA by driving down wages and it hurts people internationally because these companies pat themselves on the back for "lifting up" these people and economies when the real reason they're doing is they're cheap fucking bastards. If they really wanted to lift up those economies, they'd pay people equivalent US wages in the local currency.
If that means you make a society of local millionaires overnight, oh well. This whole paying people less because their local economy is smaller is fuckstupid hateful hurtful bullshit.
See also: how orchard owners don't pay minimum wage to harvest, they pay "by the tree" to skirt minimum wage laws.
Because unemployment isn't really that low. When we talk about "people here now who could use those jobs", we're usually talking about people in dead end jobs that could use a career job.
So great, pull them into our elder care system, give them a career level up...now their old jobs are still unfilled. And while we're super shitty as a country towards entry level service workers, we also as a country really want those jobs to be filled. So we'd need to fill that gap in the employment pool somehow.
Maybe we shouldn’t have the idea of a dead end job in the first place. Almost all work should be valid and provide livable wages. There shouldn’t be a class of jobs “just for kids”. As if their time is less valuable anyways. This is a super late stage capitalist viewpoint.
A job can be well paid and still be considered "dead end". Just means there's no room for advancement or growth. Has nothing to do with capitalism or wages, really.
Only if constant growth and expansion of capital IE capitalism is your goal. If it's a job you simply enjoy or people you enjoy working with Etc there may not be room for advancement. But why would you want to? Granted many people do not have that. They're wage slaves for capitalists. Point is the whole concept of a dead-end job is inherently a capitalist thing. If a job takes care of your needs and is Pleasant enough. Who cares if there's room for advancement.
You're hearing what you want to hear. "Growth" is not financial growth. It's not wages, I thought that was made clear in the end sentence. Growth is like personal growth or professional growth. Learning things. Becoming more. No stagnating.
But hey, if you're happy in a "dead end" job more power to you. I wasn't necessarily arguing against it. I was just trying to clarify that "dead end" does not refer (solely) to wages.
Our whole capitalistic system is built around endless growth. That's the reason population has to grow endlessly too.
Okay okay, but no body will bring up the pose on the photo? WTF people! What are those fools doing? It's like a hybrid between tobacco harvesting and processing and maybe some sort of naughty yoga thing for TikTok or the P hub? ... Free use tabaco leave processing?...hey Pedro! I see you're hard at work!... Well you don't mind if....
Anyway, I don't know what the guys are supposed to be doing just by looking at the photo. It's missing some sort of explanatory legend.
Huh. Maybe if there weren't profit sucking leeches built into the entire healthcare system, prices wouldn't be so high and Medicare wouldn't be at risk of becoming insolvent.
Good thing we have all those open borders with people flowing over constantly. /s
According to this 2022 YouGov poll, respondents over the age of 65:
- 31% want to provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
- 22% support increasing the number of legal immigrants vs 36% who want to decrease the number of legal immigrants. 42% either want no change or are not sure.
- 61% think that immigrants detained at the Mexico border are being treated humanely.
Overall, it looks like the plurality (42%) of Americans believe immigration has made the U.S. better. A minority (25%) of Americans believe immigration has made the US worse, and less than that (16%) believe it has not made much of a difference.
So for boomers specifically, it looks like around two-thirds are digging their own grave here.
Old age support programs? Ah, I thought that was just called "I had to quit my job 7 months ago to take care of my father."
One of the good things about abusive parents is to tell them to eat shit when they get older.
My mom spent 6 months giving her mother around the clock care before my grandmother died. Afterwards, my mom told me to put her ass in a care facility if she ever needed care like that. I said okay, but didn't tell her that I had already planned on doing that.
Alternative: We need more robotics engineers to build robots that can do the job.
Go nuts kiddo