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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Because small phones have a small viewing area, which is a pain in the ass to see, especially as you get older. Which is why I prefer foldables. The more screen real-estate I can fit in my pocket, the better.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 90 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I want a repairable phone. A phone where I can replace the battery

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 week ago (10 children)

And screen. And buttons.

I also want something that's supported more than 3 years so there's a point to repairing it. Ideally, support should come from the community so it can be infinite as long as someone is willing to do the work.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Based on https://postmarketos.org/install/ the Nokia N900 can run the latest stable release of PostmarketOS.

Nokia N900 was a proper Linux-powered phone released in November 2009.

So yeah, it's been getting over 15 years of community support so far.

Edit: Fixed typo

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[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 17 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I really wanted to buy the Fairphone 5, but they don't ship replacement parts to where I live which makes the entire concept pointless.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Because most people use their phone as their main, if not only, device, so a bigger screen is more desirable to consume content.

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[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I don't want a small phone or a slide out keyboards.

I want :
Replaceable battery.
Non glass back.
3.5 jack.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Why can't we go back to small phones?

[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think this is correlation, not causation, as this was also when touch screens started being made

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

it's also when mobile media in general was available on your phone. tv, movies, YouTube, games, everything. not everything is about porn.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 11 points 1 week ago

not everything is about porn.

You speak only for yourself.

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[–] Habarug@lemm.ee 42 points 1 week ago (29 children)

Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but I can't go back because they don't sell any small phones.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I picked the Pixel 8 because:

  1. it runs GrapheneOS
  2. It was a little smaller than the Pixel 8 Pro

If there was a smaller version available, I would've gotten that instead.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I picked the Pixel A because:

  1. It runs GrapheneOS
  2. It's slightly smaller and slightly cheaper than the normal version
  3. The back is plastic and not glass

Glad I can use it and type on it one-handed, can't imagine using a bigger phone.

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[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

I've been using the "A" branch of the Pixel line for years now.

But I use CalyxOS so I guess you and I have to be enemies now. My name is Inigo Montoya, you use a different OS, prepare to die.

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[–] weew@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because every time a manufacturer releases a small phone, nobody buys them.

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well yeah, the people who want a small reliable phone are unlikely to replace them every year for no discernible reason. Cue more articles and comments about how there’s no sale data to support the idea that people want small phones! The odds are stacked against us.

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[–] BlueBaggy@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (8 children)

"Why can't we go back to small phones"

Company releases small phone

"No one" buys it

Company stops making small phones

People complaining why there are no small phones

[–] c10l@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

I don’t know which small phones have been released recently but I’ve used an iPhone Mini and decided against it. Not because it’s small but rather because it’s not small enough.

See, I do like a big screen more than a small one. That said, the phone is something I carry in my pocket so there’s a balancing act to be done there. What was really great about the original iPhone’s size was not that it had a small screen. It’s that it was small enough that I could reach all corners of the screen with my thumb.

None of the recent small phones I tried had that advantage. In that case, since there’s no clear usability advantage to the smaller model, I’ll take the larger screen instead.

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don’t understand why so many people here keep saying that it’s too hard to make a small phone when all these companies literally make watches with 5G connections…

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

They always lean a little too hard into making the small one the "budget" phone and end up gimping it into something nobody wants, and yet they still don't make it cost attractive.

Compared to the SomePhone Pro, the SomePhone Mini has:

  • 6GB of RAM rather than 8. (I mean, okay, what do I need that much RAM for?)
  • 128GB onboard storage rather than 512GB (Those chips are the same footprint so that wasn't done for miniaturization, but I don't store a lot on my phone so ok)
  • No SD card slot. (I suppose you could argue that IS for miniaturization but it's still a kick in the pants)
  • 1080p display rather than 4k. (fine, the PPI is still finer than my eyes)
  • 3100mAh battery instead of 3600 (You know the reduced resolution on the display will probably make up for that anyway)
  • No NFC (really?)
  • No fast charging (fucking sigh)
  • No wireless charging (pegwarmer says what?)
  • 5.9 inch 9:21 display (so it's 89% the size of the Pro model anyway?)
  • a laptop grade VGA camera (you're actively trying to make this product fail, aren't you?)
  • Locked bootloader, locked carrier (because of course)
  • $899 instead of $949 MSRP (Okay just stop saying words and drown yourself in the septic tank)
[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

This is exactly the problem. I don’t need a budget phone, I need a small phone

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[–] User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I do, I bought smallest phone available from known company. But most of those companies just decided you need huge phone that can't fit everywhere, removed sdcard slot, removed headphone jack. Last time I remember nobody asked them to remove those features. I think it is the same enshittification like with everything, they no longer make cheap houses, smaller cheaper cars, actual budget gpus etc, etc. Feels like every company targets top 20% and the rest - gtfo and be damned.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Why can't we go back to small phones?

The iPhone SE is dead,

Is there any chance that you chose to lock yourself into a very small walled garden with a vendor who might make decisions about product that you might not agree with?

Apple is the only one making iOS phones, and Apple doesn't seem interested in small devices anymore, so that door is shut.

Right. You stick yourself in that garden, you are gambling that the vendor is going to come out with the product that you want.

There are still a few niche companies working on smaller devices, like Unihertz, but those phones almost always have low-end hardware and limited software support.

Well, size is kind of a constraint on what hardware you can put in the thing.

If what you mean by "limited software support" is "apps are going to be optimized for the bulk of users and will probably feel small if the great bulk of users are using larger screens", well...I mean, yeah.

The iPhone 3 SE you have:

4.7-inch (diagonal) widescreen LCD Multi‑Touch display with IPS technology

1334-by-750-pixel resolution at 326 ppi

Memory 4 GB LPDDR4X RAM

https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2022&nRamMin=8000&fDisplayInchesMax=5.5

Let's grab one from that list:

https://www.gsmarena.com/ulefone_armor_mini_20t_pro-13298.php

Size 4.7 inches, 53.3 cm2 (~63.1% screen-to-body ratio)

Same screen size as your phone.

Resolution 720 x 1600 pixels, 20:9 ratio (~373 ppi density)

30 pixels narrower, but 266 pixels taller than your phone.

8GB RAM

Twice the memory of your phone.

Can buy online in the US:

https://www.amazon.com/Ulefone-Armor-Mini-20T-Pro/dp/B0DJ74TQXT

And it was released October 2024, so it's pretty new.

Now, you may not be able to get an iOS phone that fits your hardware wants, but them's the breaks when you go with a platform that has only a single vendor making hardware for it.

[–] Sustolic@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

RAM is a horrible indication of phone performance imo.

The A15 chip in the iPhone 3 SE absolutely destroys the Dimensity 6300 chip in the 8GB phone you linked

A lot of people had liked iPhone because for the longest time android phones were not able to compete in the cpu/gpu space especially around the time of the iPhone 11.

Although now at the high end android phones are much closer together in performance so it’s more about what features you care about more between the phones.

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

The truth is though that it's not an apple-specific thing. On the android side Asus was the last large phone maker to ship modern small phones, and even they have taken over their zenfone line (small phones line) with a large phone for the ZenFone 11.

Based on reports from companies, it sounds like the market is just not there, at least not big enough to warrant the R&D compared to "regular" phones which make them good money.

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[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (7 children)

How many times is this going to be regurgitated? The question has been well and truly answered.

We don’t buy them.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That, and small phones on the Android side are often nerfed beyond reason, like a bottom-of-the-barrel Mediatek SoC with low RAM and shit storage option instead of the bigger model's Snapdragon and quality storage, or shit cameras, or garbage screen resolution, etc etc.

There is something to be said about the larger variant having more room for better cameras, but outside of that, the nerfing feels almost intentional.

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Because apparently people want big phones.

For the last 10-15 years it's been a boiling frog situation really - .1 or .2" increase every generation until 7" somehow becomes the norm (for a phone, not a tablet, mind you).

I wish there were more small hi-end phones too.

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[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Answering single handed on me iPhone 12 mini on latest iOS 😇

It is a great small phone!

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That was discontinued after two iterations. Was going to switch to ios just for their mini range after years of Android, then saw that they got rid of small phones as well. Like, what would I gain by switching ecosystems if I know that the next phone is still going to be huge?

BTW, I settled for an S24, which is considered "small" now but still way too big, but at least Samsung has a decent one handed mode that doesn't hide half of your screen like ios or stock android but instead decreases the whole screen to bearable sizes:

Still feels like the damn clown mask meme, where, after years of increasing phone sizes, they now add a stupid software feature to virtually decrease screen size to remain usable.

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[–] yarn@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes please. I really dislike iOS, but I use the iPhone 13 Mini for work and it's the perfect form factor. I desperately want an Android phone that's the same size, but I'm rocking a Flip which is the best I can do for small form factor right now.

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The iPhone 13 mini was the perfect size and if Apple would have used that as a base for their new SE instead of the shitty 16e, I would have bought it in a heartbeat. Just give me a thicc 13 mini with a good battery, camera and a new processor.

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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

You can. Ditch Apple and join us. Plenty of small phone selections here on the other side. Edit: you know what. Android doesn't have that many either.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 points 1 week ago

If they're going to make only bog phones they could at least bring back all the hardware features they've removed over the years.

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

people spend a third of their lives on those things. And while cumbersome, a big screen simply is better for media consumption

only way I see smaller phones make a comeback is if we change our habits or if a new technology comes along

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

When are we finally going to get curved phones on some kind of bracer? They wear them in every futuristic movie, we finally have curved screens, and no one’s made one for wearing on your forearm yet.

[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Because they're fucking stupid.

I can pick up a phone in either hand and type on it using only that hand, and I can play games using both hands at once. If I'm using a bracer, it means I can't do anything else with either hand or use my off hand to interact with it.

The only problem a bracer solves is not having pockets, but even then you still need to wear a bracer.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Why can't we have both? I want a bigger phone. Bigger than what I have now, and many people would consider this to be a fairly large phone.

But I don't want to stop people who want smaller phones from having those, too.

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