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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 82 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Guaranteed if original Star Trek came out today, it would be decried as "woke" and "DEI" and there would be outrage over it from the usual culture warriors.

[–] H1jAcK@lemm.ee 50 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Okay, I've finally looked up what DEI means... Diversity, equity, and inclusion are things people are berated for??

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not what DEI means. It's about what it stands for.

Conservatives don't want to be told to treat people with decency. They want to treat however the fuck they want, and then tell you that you aren't treating them decently.

It's about wielding power.

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

DEI is the current iteration of affirmative action, that’s all.

The problem with DEI is that it’s an imperfect solution that only came about because racists and other bigots couldn’t behave themselves. Forcing the hiring of specific demographics isn’t going to result in the best possible outcomes in every case but those groups also need opportunities even though they’ve been systemically given worse educations and have been generally shat upon. Removing race we’d also probably hire the white man more often but not because they’re inately better, but rather because they are simply more likely to be able to afford to have pretty looking resumés compared to disadvantaged minorities.

We wouldn’t need DEI in the first fucking place except people like an old boss, who saw an immigrant classmate of mine’s resumé come up and because of his African last name said “no thanks I want to keep jobs in Canada”, need to be forced to do the right thing. They create the problem and throw temper tantrums when we try to fix it. These people are obstacles and it’s getting tiring.

TL;DR: They feel as if they have a point because DEI can result in a more qualified person being turned away, which I get feels unfair. However, they refuse to acknowledge the fact that said person was only more qualified because we make it so difficult for minorities to fucking do anything. I’m getting so sick of right-wing bullshit.

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

YES, it's insane. It's like saying "be a decent person" and people going "Fuck you, commie bastards, I do what I want."

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

From 2020 on we’ve seen that telling people “hey wear the most basic of facemasks when you’re out in public because the morgues are running out of space all over” causes them to start screaming at the Walmart greeters and throwing tantrums like children. We are still stupid apes in a lot of ways

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

The outrage the far-right spun over DEI is by trying to portray it as hiring vastly underqualified applicants simply because of their belonging to an underrepresented group (often even being portrayed as vastly underqualified because of their race as white supremacist rhetoric). Of course in reality this wasn't true and it was just a foghorn for racism/an ethnic slur, but that's how it started.

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (6 children)

They didn’t have everything figured out back then. For one, they bullied Spock for what we could only describe today as his neurodiversity.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The message I got from McCoy was that humans got along because they found new people to be racist against instead of each other

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

It helps when every other planet is a severely flawed monocolutre.

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[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There will never come a time in which we have everything figured out.

excuse me, i have a degree in bullshit. We have figured out everything. 1+1=2. The rest is left as an exercise for the reader.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Yes but that doesn’t mean we should never look back and see how far we’ve come, just as we look forward and see how far we have to go.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And there will be things that are being created today that's considered progressive that in 20 years, will be considered as missing the mark.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

McCoy called Spock "green-blooded" on multiple occasions - and once a "hobgoblin". And I would call the Vulcan penchant for logic a cultural trait, not neurodiversity.

[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You should see the episode when a woman body swapped with Kirk, and how the Enterprise crew suspected something was wrong

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Kind of yeah, but Gene Roddenberry used allegories like the half black and half white dudes who hated each other - which took more effort than having characters just walk around in the present saying, "Wow, look at all the social injustice."

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah he was real subtle. Not full of preachy monologues at all.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Roddenberry was both a genuinely progressive guy and an extremely 20th century man. "In the future we're going to cure disease and hunger and everyone of all races and creeds will work together there's gonna be a black woman, an asian guy, a Russian and an alien with funny ears on the bridge all working as a team and the women will all wear wrist length gogo dresses and there's gonna be an episode where the crew is utterly baffled at the very concept of racism. We're gonna paint some actors with half of their faces white and half of their faces black and they're gonna be really horrible to each other and when asked why they're gonna say "They're white on the left side and we're white on the right side" and it's gonna make racism sound really dumb."

I struggle to have a problem with a guy whose message is "Systematic hatred is extremely bad and stupid, let's look at sexy legs instead."

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

As transparent as Gene's little parables were, I vastly prefer that method of social commentary over just saying "They certainly were unenlightened in the early 21st century weren't they - shame on them!"

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven't watched any Star Trek since Enterprise. Are they worse at it now? It has been a long road getting form there to here.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

IMO Picard season 1 is fantastic and season 2 has some embarrassingly awkward social justice preaching but a good story about the Borg queen. Haven't seen season 3 or Below Decks yet.

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[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's talk about all the social injustice in the world while all positions of authority are held by white dudes.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

He tried to put a woman in a position of authority (first officer) but the studio shot him down.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

cough mark of gideon cough

Hey, i'm an old fart and guess how many times i heard people say that exact same shit about TNG? The pussy version of trek, nothing like its predecessor, all they do is talk about their emotions!

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

to say nothing of Star Trek IV

"Double dumbass on you!"

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm an old fart too. I had a friend who said all they did on TNG was sit up straight and say, "Engage."

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because that's what you had to do to get past the executives and the censors in the 1960s.

Just like how "Last Train to Clarksville" is about Vietnam.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Just like how "Last Train to Clarksville" is about Vietnam.

TIL. That is a really subtle reference (at least from the perspective of somebody born a couple of decades after the fact, anyway).

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, but the executives were terrified of any and all conflict. That's why so many shows of that era are incredibly bland.

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[–] Pickle_Jr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 days ago (22 children)

They were even more upfront about it in TOS for some issues too.

I remember many instances where they say "We have women in our crew in the future." It's not like DISCO flaunted around saying "we don't hate gay people in this ship."

Like I understand that DISCO isn't everybody's favorite, and sure it has some issues, but all the flak it got for being "woke" and "preachy" was weird to me.

Part of Kirk's whole thing was preachy speeches, and Picard had many moments too.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 15 points 2 days ago

I quite agree STD wasn’t everyone’s favourite, in any case it wasn’t mine, although I really tried. But whining about it being woke was just stupid.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Holy Motherforkin Shirtballs! A The Good Place meme in the wild!

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I remember this exact conversation in the show, too.

"It's like: Who died and put Aristotle in charge?"

Points to board "Plato."

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Hey now hey now!

It's a cashless classless society, it's about economic class justice, too!

That part's just more in the background.

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