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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I get not liking Discovery, but do people really think Lower Decks, SNW, Picard are “Woke?”

Also, obviously, sci-fi is at its best when tackling politics… Isn’t that kinda the point?

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

"Woke" has long since lost its original meaning.

Used to mean something positive and progressive. Then it meant something that tried writing itself off as something progressive, but was simply stupid and entitled (i.e. That Batwoman series), now it's anything a right winger hates, even if it isn't trying to be progressive in any way.

Truth is, with NuTrek, it doesn't have a single progressive bone in its body, and the writers don't have the skill to pull off any sort of commentary.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 17 points 13 hours ago

It's woke because they're so unhinged that basic human decency is woke now.

[–] RamenJunkie@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

SNW has like 90% female crew members. Also the pilot lady has short hair. Therefore woke.

Probably.

[–] Tregetour@lemdro.id 11 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QFspemhHmsw A Critique of Star Trek Discovery — Part 1 #RIPStarTrek

This whole essay is worth listening to, but 15:46-30:33 in particular gets at the heart of a big reason why classic Trek rocks and why nuTrek is shit.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Lower Decks remains very good. CBS has tried to pivot Star Trek from Sci-Fi to Space Adventure, and that's been ugly. But not every series they've spun out took that tone.

Also Orville - particularly the latest season - has been incredible. Everything Star Trek is supposed to be.

I havent gotten past the original series yet (I started with that), so far Star Trek seems like the entire point is to get into complex social and political issues that other companies would be too scared to cover.

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Shatner figured it out? Shatner? This is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts.”

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"When I have a problem that phasers can't solve, I just kiss a beautiful alien. Then suddenly, I have a completely different problem!" - Jason Tiberius Kirk

Edit: I may have drifted into the Kelvin timeline...

[–] showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

“I'm a legit snack” - Nyota Uhura

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 19 hours ago

More like the main course 😏

[–] grue@lemmy.world 72 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nichelle Nichols was at one point thinking of quitting the show but stayed because MLK Jr. himself told her how important her character was.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

And without Nichelle Nichols on Star Trek, she wouldn't have been hired by NASA and then we wouldn't have had Sally Ride, so she is a legitimate space hero.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She thought about leaving because she didn't feel like her character got to do enough - a common sentiment of supporting actors.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was TNG that really established an ensemble cast formula; TOS was Kirk-Spock-McCoy and the rest. It took TNG a couple seasons before they got the idea of a true ensemble cast where everyone gets to star in some episodes. TOS wouldn't have had more than one episode starring Reginald Barcklay with Geordi and Dianna in supporting roles, but TNG had at least two.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

TOS wouldn't have had more than one episode starring Reginald Barcklay with Geordi and Dianna in supporting roles, but TNG had at least two.

Three, even. Horny holideck, barkley gets his groove on, and transporter cuddles.

[–] logi@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

And he then had some significant episodes in Voyager too.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

"Transporter cuddles".

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 77 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Guaranteed if original Star Trek came out today, it would be decried as "woke" and "DEI" and there would be outrage over it from the usual culture warriors.

[–] H1jAcK@lemm.ee 50 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Okay, I've finally looked up what DEI means... Diversity, equity, and inclusion are things people are berated for??

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not what DEI means. It's about what it stands for.

Conservatives don't want to be told to treat people with decency. They want to treat however the fuck they want, and then tell you that you aren't treating them decently.

It's about wielding power.

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (10 children)

They didn’t have everything figured out back then. For one, they bullied Spock for what we could only describe today as his neurodiversity.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The message I got from McCoy was that humans got along because they found new people to be racist against instead of each other

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

It helps when every other planet is a severely flawed monocolutre.

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