I honestly can't be mad. America voted. If anyone has the audacity to be upset when America falls to lawlessness and didn't vote to punish trump i cannot be concerned.
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I mean, we all saw this coming.
It still feels weird that you can’t jail someone in 4 years even if you prove they are guilty.
Americans should be rioting in the streets, let him serve from jail.
Liberals fundamentally can't do anything about this. Not even if they cared. Which they do not.
No amount if proof matters, because the liberal horizon of action does not include any remedy to this problem. Like asking your homeopath to treat a gun shot wound.
Key detail: they're not dropping it because they're giving up, the judge dismissed it without prejudice, which means that in 4 years they can pick the case back up. Under a Trump DoJ the case would likely have ended with prejudice, closing it permanently.
Even more motivation for Trump to abolish term limits.
He can't himself since it's spelled out in the constitution in the 22nd amendment.
So tl;dr it would need 3/4 of the states to repeal that. More detail than that, but that's what it boils down to.
he can't
Why not? He couldn't steal an election attemot a violent coup or bankrupt a casino either.
Who's gonna stop him?
Who’s gonna stop him?
- All the states who are blue and/or prefer to not have a bumbling 82 year old wannabe dictator as president for a 3rd term.
- All the congress critters not living in MAGA-stan who value getting re-elected.
Yeah, they've all done a bang-up job over the last four years.
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How? Why?
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Do you not remember last time? And why do you think losing an election will keep a loyalist out of power?
1a. How: The law. Literally Trump "can't" just say "I'm going to run again". The constitution forbids it. Now I'm not saying that will stop all the states from putting him on the ballot, but it will stop many, and that's enough to get any sane Republican screaming for an alternative. 1b. Why: The law. Republicans know perfectly well Trump is a shit-show, but they lacked the courage to say no to a 2nd term. A third term puts them into not-needing-a-spine-to-say-no territory. Many desperately want to get rid of him and that is their safe opportunity. 2. Of course I do. I also remember the attempted coup failed miserably. And anyway that is quite different from running in the primary.
I really hope that's the case. But if there's one thing I've learnt, it's that Trump can seemingly do whatever the fuck he wants.
I really hope that’s the case
It is. It's in the constitution and barring civil war and a military take over of the government that amendment is not going away.
But if there’s one thing I’ve learnt, it’s that Trump can seemingly do whatever the fuck he wants.
Actually he can't. He most definitely can bloviate and spew whatever the fuck he wants, but when it comes to actually doing I think his track record is quite poor. For the most part he counts on toadies to fall in line and do his bidding, mainly so they can take the blame if it goes south. That he will be term limited is, IMO, the saving grace for those useful idiots - they know they can get rid of him and they only need to kiss his ass another 4 years.
Oh that? That meant consecutive terms. Trump can totally be president again in 2028. Just ask SCOTUS.
You are speculating that SCOTUS will let some challenge slide. But it's the constitution and SCOTUS doesn't get to change what it says just because they are corrupt.
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice"
Seems pretty crystal clear.
Laws are not magic spells, and all the people who enforce them are his creatures.
Just because we use the same rules for our violently enforced traditions of hierarchy and the physical constants of reality does not mean they're actually the same thing.
Laws are not magic spells, and all the people who enforce them are his creatures.
Demonstrably not.
Just because we use the same rules for our violently enforced traditions of hierarchy and the physical constants of reality does not mean they’re actually the same thing.
You are either 14 and very profound or a newly-minted graduate student. 'Cause I have no idea what you are trying to say.
He cannot create something from nothing. He cannot act without an equal and opposite reaction. He cannot exceed the ideal speed of unimpeded light. He cannot be smaller than the Planck length. Try as he might; it simply cannot be done.
A person has to actively to stop him from doing all the rape murder and genocide his shitty little chest void desires. Nobody has. Are you going to?
I'm saying calling both these categories 'laws' is misleading.
I’m saying calling both these categories ‘laws’ is misleading.
Undergrad?
Are you going to engage with my ideas, or try to discredit me by... Saying I'm getting an education?
I'm confused as to what your argument is here. My best guess is that what I said resonated with you enough to make you uncomfortable, and youre trying to discredit me so you dont have to think about it.
And I get that. I get trying to stay comfortable, I get trying to cling to what you have and what's worked to keep it in the past, but we no longer have that luxury. Do not rely on the 'law' to protect you. Start looking at alternatives. I know its scary, I know its new, and I know it might require change, but its what we need to get through this. Maybe what you find will end up enriching you long term, if you survive. Change isn't always bad.
What ideas?
A distinction without a difference
Legal justice has become a pipedream. The only options with any real chance of happening are vigilante justice or no justice.
Always was.
Well, community and restorative, but our society still sees those as equally/more objectionable than vigilante.
Vigilante Justice isn't really justice tho.
He's just gonna get famous for getting "Assassinated".
He needs to rot in prison and die there so his name is tainted forever.
The system is not your friend. Its goal is the preservation of power and stratification of society. Thats what it does, thats what its for.
Right now, he's power, and stratifying admirably. The courts and their bloody enforcers belong to him, or people like him.
Agreed, but I don't see that happening in the absence of a legal justice system.
Do you have realistic ideas on how to make that happen?
Well, if there was any doubt there is one law for the rich & well connected, and an entirely different law for the 'plebes', this put that deep in the ground...
Someone should go rip that blindfold off of any 'Blind Justice' statues, it is just gaslighting at this point.
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Remember when rational people in 2020 said Biden was too old and did t have it in him to fight fascism?
And the DNC said the president doesn't matter (but still had to be Biden) it was about the people they appoint.
Well, Bidens picks were Smith and Garland, and a bunch of other people who couldn't get shit accomplished.
Everyone needs to remember how Biden worked out, because in four years the DNC will want to run someone just like him again. And if they do we're fucked
You can't lay that on Smith. He accomplished a lot. But, no surprise, a Trump judge derailed it.
An election in four years … I like your optimism and I hope you are right.
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At least it's a dismissal without prejudice which leaves the door open for charges to be brought back once Trump is no longer in office and as long as the statute of limitation hasn't run out.
You know how the courts love putting rich old white dudes behind bars, right?
Assuming of course we don’t end up with a Republican dictatorship after this presidency, then it’s all meaningless anyway.
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