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According to Abba: The Official Photo Book, published to mark 40 years since they won Eurovision with Waterloo, the band's style was influenced in part by laws that allowed the cost of outfits to be deducted against tax – so long as the costumes were so outrageous they could not possibly be worn on the street.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 85 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

We have the same tax law in America. Can't deduct clothing that you could wear for non work.

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My aspie ass laughs at the squares in the tax office and their droll perspective on casual wear!

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

You'll never believe this one crazy Swedish law that most modern tax codes also have!

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I can't wear a suit if I'm not working. Sounds like claim time.

I also can't use suit while working. Ok I'll come clean, I don't have any suits.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 2 weeks ago

You don’t know what I’m willing to wear on the street, Swedish tax laws!

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Wouldn’t it be cheaper just to wear normal clothes when you perform?

Or were they so broke that they wore their costumes as normal clothes “on the street”?

This isn’t making a lot of sense to me either way.

[–] Marx2k@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I prefer performers resemble superior race ambassadors from a yet undiscovered groovy exoplanet

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm guessing they didn't pay for the costumes themselves. They just got to write off the cost because they were wearing them. But I don't know how it works for sure.

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think it’s a case of the outfits essentially being akin to a work uniform. You wouldn’t wear it on the street, and you need it for work (as I guess stage and screen actors do too), and due to that you can claim it as a work expense and is tax deductible?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think that's it, yeah. This way they avoided paying tax on their costumes.

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think it was even better than that. It wasn’t just the tax on the costume, it was the entire cost of them could be deducted from their tax bill. The more extravagant and expensive, the smaller that years tax bill!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

There you go. Thanks for the explanation!

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If someone else bought the costumes, then they certainly can’t write them off.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think I figured it out!

They were going to have to wear costumes regardless, but they would be able to not pay taxes on them if the costumes were crazy enough.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I appreciate the amount of thought you’ve put into this, while I just make cynical comments.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

It made me start thinking about it and then it bothered me enough to try to figure it out.

As we often hear over in Lemmy Shitpost, "I know this is a shitpost, but..."

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It really seems like these would be more expensive by more than the tax benefits

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not at all, Sweden during the ABBA age was completely nuts. There was no cap on taxes, and as such, you could incur a more than 100% marginal tax rate.

Astrid Lindgren (the beloved childrens book writer) was amongst those affected.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomperipossa_in_Monismania

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@Zip2@feddit.uk explained it:

I think it was even better than that. It wasn’t just the tax on the costume, it was the entire cost of them could be deducted from their tax bill. The more extravagant and expensive, the smaller that years tax bill!

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I've read the comment, but that's not how taxes usually work. (It is, however, like a lot of people with little knowledge about the topic think tax deductions in general work - which makes me suspicious)

It would take bit more of the than that comment at face value to convince me that apparent law exist(ed)

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Band member 1 makes a costume for band member 2. Material cost: $12. Band member 1 sells it to band member 2 for $15,000.

Band member 2 makes costume for band member 3...

Write off not just the materials cost, but the purchase price.

The costume making income is below the taxable income so it's not taxed.

Band income goes into a trust, rather than being paid directly to members. Members are all board members on the trust and get paid a salary.

And so it goes, round the washing machine of accounting.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago

They probably wanted nicer clothes than normal but were able to save more by springing for something that qualified for a deduction.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Take those write-offs where you can, I get it

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Did the guardian cut off the article on accident?

There's this passage at the end of it that just doesn't seem to relate to the rest:

In 2007 Ulvaeus was wrongly accused of failing to pay 85m kronor (£7.9m) in Swedish taxes between 1999 and 2005, and went on to successfully appeal against the decision.

Like, OK, it is about taxes but specifically about the taxes on the stage clothes of the 70s/80s, so how does talking about his taxes between 99 and 05 add anything to the discussion?

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe that's how this smart tax strategy got uncovered?

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Editors are clearly woke

[–] TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why does this tax exists? For taxing ads? Like for promoting a clothes brand?

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 weeks ago

I think you are missing the point. You can declare products you buy as a business expense, as long as they are used mostly for business purposes. In Swedish law, you can't declare clothing as a business expense because you will wear those clothes in you day to day life. The only exception is clothes that would look silly in day to day, like a clown suit, or mechanic overalls.