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‘Manipulated’ Trump blows up billionaire megadonor’s phone with angry texts (www.thedailybeast.com)

submitted 3 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

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The ex-president got a top aide to send the texts accusing the donor’s massive Preserve America PAC of being run by RINOs. But aides fear he is being manipulated.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 110 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I am really enjoying watching him suffer.

[–] Bapanada@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Me too, and schadenfreude isn’t something I often enjoy.

[+] snekerpimp@lemmy.world -77 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

I’m not. I’m embarrassed for him and his entire family. Anyone can see he is unwell and being played like a puppet. But everyone, kids included, just want to squeeze as much money and power of the old fart before he croaks. No one should be used and treated like this, even if they are a huge traitorous piece of shit that deserves to be thrown under the jail.

Edit: was supposed to be “embarrassed of him”, but Jesus I didn’t know being embarrassed by humans treating humans like shit was sympathy or pity. It’s like watching a fucking Jerry springer show, and I was just mentioning how I did not feel comfortable watching it. Y’all are really angry and taking it out on the wrong people.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 64 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, sorry, no room for pity. Shit's on the line. I'll mourn the passing of his sanity when we get past the current hurdle, and the sub-hurdle of another January 6th, after the various hurdles caused by little pseudo-orange asshats causing voting issues nationwide.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Never said pity. Embarrassed is what was said. And just a bit of empathy, even for a piece of shit that brought it on themselves is never a bad thing. I don’t sympathize, I don’t pity. It’s just embarrassing as a human to be watching other humans treat each other like this.

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

For what it's worth, I agree with you and people are absolutely taking their anger out on your reasonable position.

We're at a point in our fight against a Trump-brand fascism where anything not outright attacking him can be misconstrued as support when the reader is angry enough. He is deserving of this anger, but we humans often take out that anger on the closest perceived target. In this case, your message.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm harsh because I have borne witness to our tolerance. During the Pandemic people died because we averted our eyes. We were both embarrassed by those who refused to be vaccinated, and frustrated when they didn't wear masks. Because of this tolerance people were killed by a virus that while bad was made significantly worse through the actions of the gullible, ignorant, and malicious, and in part the inaction of many of us. It was a stressful time so I struggle to blame any one thing, though we could have done much more to challenge the fundamental lies Republicans and the insane MAGA assholes brought forth.

I bring that time up because it's a very recent and very fresh example of what we always do. We'll bicker and in-fight, challenge one another over often petty pedantic bullshit. Yet we rarely come together to challenge the people, or the situations, that truly must be challenged.

My expectations are great because in this world are people far more intelligent and capable than I. Despite having a modicum of intellect, and reluctant wisdom, there are likely a handful of people who will read even a comment this far down the chain who could run circles around me. I am not the smartest person in this room. Because of this I hope all of you consider what we have to gain and work together towards a better tomorrow. Like it or not we are on a cusp and there will be battle after battle in the months to come. We need all of you.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Also tolerance is a social contract, intolerance is not a paradox, it's assholes breaking the contract and expecting everyone to smile and tolerate it, fuck them, intolerance is a cancer and their perspective and opinion should be completely ignored just like the asshole at the bus screaming at a sign.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Empathy is not tolerance. Being embarrassed is not tolerance or inaction. I was embarrassed that I had to have arguments with strangers about wearing a mask, I still did it. I was embarrassed when we elected the guy, but still fought. Why do so many people have misunderstanding of words for human emotion and feeling?

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Except you did something. My words were not and never will be meant for those that act, even in small ways. Mine are for the tolerant who avert their eyes. Those who shed empty words to empathetic listeners to feel better about what they considered doing, yet never acted upon. Those words are meant for the many who always thought they might, yet knew they never would. Yes, they have their reasons. Some of those reasons are even completely valid.

It remains though that for the majority that remain whose excuses fail, my words ring true. Like it or not we must speak. You did. I did. Plenty of people did. Many, many more did not, never to those who needed to hear it. Just within the last week I saw on here and overheard in my community two similar comments, both of which talked about being patient and staying reasonable. That people will come to their senses. Tolerance is not noble when so much is on the line.

My words were for those tolerant majority who hate how things have gone. Who scramble to make excuses and find the right angles. I speak because they won't. I just wish they would. More have done so, though plenty remain silent, content to watch as the rest of us attempt CPR on a nation at the brink of precipice that we. can. stop.

We just have to work together and be, ironically, tolerant of each other. Saving our frustrations for the meaningful fights.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Thank you. Rabid hate isn’t good on either side, and it can be manipulated so easily with propaganda these days. We are all human. And we will all get our comeuppance, doesn’t mean we should take ecstasy in watching it happen, even to a piece of shit who deserves it.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

Lesser of two evils.

I'd rather they tear each other apart than tear the rest of us apart. Trump raised his children to be like this. He surrounded himself with these people. This is 100% his own making.

[–] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I simply don't agree. He would treat his family the exact same way, so he is just reaping what he has sown for the last 60 years. Look at how Trump's gone through life - it's normal for him to treat everyone as disposable.

If you're not trying to be a good person by 70, it won't be happening. This is the closest to karma that we will probably ever see a rich person get, so I'm inclined to enjoy it. If it disgusts you, fine, but I want to see him crash and burn because it's long overdue.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

True, he would and has sold people to advance his whole agenda. This is just embarrassing to watch, as a human, watching other humans be this way.

[–] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's fair, I just think humans are an embarrassment overall. We think of ourselves as superior, but here we are subjugating our fellow humans out of a disinterest in real solutions.

There's nothing setting us apart from animals in that sense, we just have the ability to rationalize and justify the horrible things we do.

Trump probably thinks he has to act that way because he believes ruling with an iron fist is key to success from watching his dad do it and prosper, not understanding that his dad had better business sense than he does.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I agree with you on humans being an embarrassment. Empathy is a major part of what separates us from most animals. You can not like someone and still have empathy. He deserves everything coming to him by how he has treated others, I do not feel comfortable taking joy in the demise of any human.

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The whole family of grifters should be locked in a box and sunk into the ocean, but short of that, I am perfectly ok with the lot of them being run hard and put away wet.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

OceanGate them all.

[–] Aphelion@lemm.ee 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He has never treated another human being as a human so why should we extend him even the tiniest shred of human courtesy? I'm personally fine watching him blather incoherently, shit his pants and have a stroke on stage in front of a crowd, because his cult needs to see their demigod for who he really is, even if they refuse to accept reality.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

And I was just stating it was embarrassing to me and why it was. I wasn’t going “oh poor poor guy leave him alone”. Simply that it embarrasses me to watch it. He deserves more than what will ever come to him, but I don’t have to enjoy watching it happen.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Anyone can see he is unwell and being played like a puppet

Boo fucking hoo. Even if that's true, that's all he's been doing to other people for his entire life: manipulating and otherwise abusing them to get whatever he wants.

No one should be used and treated like this

Correction: no one except Trump and maybe a handful other worst of the worst of the human race.

It’s like watching a fucking Jerry springer show, and I was just mentioning how I did not feel comfortable watching it. Y’all are really angry and taking it out on the wrong people.

Nah, on Jerry Springer, most of the vilified people were themselves victims of poverty and other real hardships.

This billionaire born with a silver swastika in his mouth has been a predatory abuser for his entire life and deserves nothing but the worst.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago

I’m sorry, are we talking about the same Jerry springer? Cause the one that played in my youth was exactly the same, like “oh my god, it’s embarrassing this man likes to be vomited on”

All I see is the Sith Lord going “give into the hate”… again, I’m not arguing against all this shit happening to the man, I just don’t get a pleasurable feeling watching it. Someone might deserve to be hung, I don’t want to go watch it happen. If that makes your blood rise, then cool, relish in it. I don’t.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's his actions that put him here. And considering the suffering he would cause in office, I have no sympathy at this point.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Never said sympathy. I am embarrassed as a human watching other humans treat each other this way.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

The tar and feathering he wished upon others, now unto him.

It's hysterical. Shakespeare couldn't have written it better.

[–] Peer@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Is it not illegal for a candidate to coordinate directly with a PAC?

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

Didn't you hear: the law only applies to poor people.

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago

I'm wondering how his Supreme Court cronies will cover for him this time. He isn't the president, so this can't be an official act.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

He is probably not from a legal standpoint. He is talking to her and she just funds the pac and selects the people who run it. It's super easy to get around that law.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago

I believe the distinction is a Super PAC. I'm not sure of the specific differences outside of a Super Pac may not be for a specific candidate and can be funded without donation disclosures.