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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We should send Israel an invoice instead of aid and tack on an extra fee for being fucking embarrassing. Ukraine is grateful for every bullet and Netanyahu’s whole cabinet acts like America’s just supposed to give them free shit for no clear reason.

I mean, we should be sanctioning them (like we do with Hamas, Iran, and Russia) since they apparently can’t go a day without committing a fresh atrocity. But if we’re going to provide them with arms, we should at least be getting paid.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

They need to be hit by as many sanctions as Russia for sure.

More targeted at the people at the top who are actually to blame, though. Some of the Russian ones are too broad, hurting a lot of innocent civilians.

[–] Senshi@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago

Sanctions have been shown to be a very ineffective, but low risk tool to apply external pressure. There is no way to apply sanctions in a way that truly hurt the responsible rulers without affecting the general populace. As the rulers by definition have power, they will simply be able to force lower, non sanctioned ranks to do what they want, circumventing the sanctions.

In addition, the hope of blanket sanctions is that the populace looks their economical suffering to the bad decisions of their leaders and speak our act against them. This rarely ever works, as state propaganda easily spins it to blame the international community being influenced by the state's enemies. The first to suffer will always be the lowest strata of society, which usually is least involved in international affairs.

It's the same reason any kind of external punitive action against civilians (e.g. city bombing in ww2) doesn't work.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

The US should issue Israel a refund and send over a team to retrieve the weapons it sold these murderous cunts. Then send them over to Ukraine.

[–] VampyreOfNazareth@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because war, war never changes.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

WAR! What is it good for?

Absolutely, PROFITS!

Now say it again

WAR! Good God! What is it good for?

Absolutely, PROFITS!

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

Netanyahu must be REALLY careful now otherwise they might be forced to give him MORE money for Bombs!

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So if we're funding a defense against one genocide and simultaneously perpetuating another, do we break even on the evil scale this time?

It's like we're helping some crippled old grandma cross the street, but half way across we're passed by lil' Timmy on his way to school, so we stop to break his nose cuz FUCK YOU TIMMY! and then continue assisting grandma like nothing ever happened.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

Well, we're funding Ukraine way more than we're funding the Netanyahu/Biden genocide, but we shouldn't be funding genocide at all.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Can I get $1M tossed my way too? I mean, it's just, like, couch cushion level extra.

[–] PR3CiSiON@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Probably, have you watched war dogs? It's pretty much that.

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's so sweet that the US right wings have finally found similar interests 💖

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

the US right wings

I imagined a bird spinning in circles like a dog running for it's tail.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Biden really showing how serious his "stern words" for Netanyahu are.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 0 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


After many setbacks and much suspense, the Senate appeared on track this week to approve a long-awaited package of wartime funding for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, as Republican opponents staged a filibuster to register their disapproval over a measure they could not block.

Senators had worked through the weekend on the roughly $95bn emergency spending package, which cleared a series of procedural hurdles as it moved toward final passage.

On Monday, Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, said the weekend votes demonstrated “beyond doubt that there’s strong support” for advancing the foreign aid package.

Though a bipartisan majority still supports sending assistance to Ukraine, there is a growing contingent of Republican skeptics who echo Trump’s disdain for the US-backed war effort.

Though its Republican defenders argued that it was the most conservative immigration reform proposal put forward in decades, Trump loyalists on Capitol Hill deemed it inadequate amid record levels of migration at the US southern border.

In floor speeches on Monday, several Republican senators lamented the absence of border enforcement policies, though all had voted to reject the bipartisan immigration deal last week.


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