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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We should send Israel an invoice instead of aid and tack on an extra fee for being fucking embarrassing. Ukraine is grateful for every bullet and Netanyahu’s whole cabinet acts like America’s just supposed to give them free shit for no clear reason.

I mean, we should be sanctioning them (like we do with Hamas, Iran, and Russia) since they apparently can’t go a day without committing a fresh atrocity. But if we’re going to provide them with arms, we should at least be getting paid.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

They need to be hit by as many sanctions as Russia for sure.

More targeted at the people at the top who are actually to blame, though. Some of the Russian ones are too broad, hurting a lot of innocent civilians.

[–] Senshi@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago

Sanctions have been shown to be a very ineffective, but low risk tool to apply external pressure. There is no way to apply sanctions in a way that truly hurt the responsible rulers without affecting the general populace. As the rulers by definition have power, they will simply be able to force lower, non sanctioned ranks to do what they want, circumventing the sanctions.

In addition, the hope of blanket sanctions is that the populace looks their economical suffering to the bad decisions of their leaders and speak our act against them. This rarely ever works, as state propaganda easily spins it to blame the international community being influenced by the state's enemies. The first to suffer will always be the lowest strata of society, which usually is least involved in international affairs.

It's the same reason any kind of external punitive action against civilians (e.g. city bombing in ww2) doesn't work.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

The US should issue Israel a refund and send over a team to retrieve the weapons it sold these murderous cunts. Then send them over to Ukraine.