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[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 139 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Agree with you in general, but I think a lot if people here are not really informed what differences there are materialistic ideologies.

Yes, Stalin bad.

But Guevara is not Stalin.

Marx is not che

Engels is not Marx

China is not communist.

Marxism is not materialism

Socialism is not communism

Also the amount of people bringing the "the 3 times people tried socialism were bad, so the whole ideology must be bad" argument are way to high IMHO.

How many times was capitalism tried? How many times it worked out? Is the USA a "functioning" state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?

While I agree with you, that oppression is bad, no matter what the oppressor calls himself, we should talk about policies without resorting to dogmas and generalising people in favor of fear the hegemonic class is propagating to stay in power.

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 101 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Yeah, that's not the tankies here; these are "North Korea is a great country, actually" tankies.

[–] pleasemakesense@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, "anything negative about a communist country is US propaganda"

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 year ago

or "russia is correctly in invading ukraine"

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[–] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When a liberal says "tankie" they mean anything remotely communist-looking. When a leftist says "tankie", they mean authoritarians who like red flags and self-proclaimed communists who nonetheless support hierarchies and have no plan or intention to bring them down. I think the vast majority of people here knows this already.

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[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (32 children)

Is the USA a “functioning” state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?

I hope you realize that this is an incredibly privileged take. The US is rife with issues, but the hardships experienced by the average western citizen doesn't even compare to the suffering that you would find in, say, Pol Pot's Cambodia, or (to a less extreme extent) Maduro's Venezuela. To compare what a US citizen deals with on a daily basis due to capitalism to what a citizen of any of those countries had to go through is very reductive and may be perceived as disrespectful to many who had to live those experiences.

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[–] tanja@lemmy.blahaj.zone 113 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Based.

They already have lemmygrad.

Honestly, I don't think we need them here.

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[–] rowie324@lemmy.blahaj.zone 79 points 1 year ago

tankies more like no thankies

[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 64 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Thank fuck. I thought Lemmy was some ultra militant leftist hellhole before the shift.

I don't like extreme radical left any more than extreme radical right.

Fuck Che Guevara. Read a book.

[–] fae@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (6 children)

tankies arent radical left. they are authoritarians ffs

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[–] Big_Farto@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I got banned from lemmygrad for saying acab means all cops lmao

[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

they yearn for the glorious people's boot

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[–] lazy_digestive@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This comment section is really something uh

[–] Silverstrings@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Tankies on their way to explain why teaming up with the Nazis to conquer Poland is actually based and totally in line with Marxist philosophy.

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[–] moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Just removed like 40 comments and banned a buncha people.

[–] dsmaster7173@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

holy shit they kicked the tankies out of 196

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[–] animelivesmatter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

finds social media developed by tankies

looks inside

finds tankies

fr I'm down with having a good old purge eventually but noone should be surprised

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[–] shadowscale@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

there's literally a community called "moretankie196", they should go infest that one instead

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[–] P00P_L0LE@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

take something antifascist and edit it to be anticommunist, classic reddit behavior

[–] PlasmaK@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Tankies are not communists. They are blanquists at best.

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[–] arisunz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

tankies aren't communists lmao, stay mad

[–] nunyunuymi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

uh oh you said the forbidden word, here come several of the world's most unfuckable people to tell you about how anti authoritarians are the real fascists and if you'd just spend half a year fully immersing yourself in russian state propaganda, you'd get it too.

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[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (26 children)

anti authoritarian*

you're telling on yourself

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[–] Whisdeer@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can we have something like tankiejerk here? I seriously liked browsing that sub after a bad day with the red fashs.

[–] Kaladin_Stormblessed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago (41 children)

that sub often tended towards outright anti-leftism

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[–] NoTime@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (8 children)
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[–] BalconyPhantom@dataterm.digital 31 points 1 year ago

Vaush moment

[–] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (16 children)

What are some good actual communist lemmy communities that aren't supporting the fucking capitalist imperialist russian invasion?

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[–] starship_lizard@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (25 children)
[–] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (31 children)

When the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, there were some british leftists who cheered for those tanks driving into Prague. They proved by this that they didn't care about leftism, socialism, democracy or anti-imperialism at all - they approved the imperialism and militarism of the Soviet regime.

Their praise for the rolling tanks is what gave them their name: Tankies.

So, people who love North Korea, or defend russia invading Ukraine, people, who stand by even the most autoritarian, anti-democratic, militaristic, imperialistic regimes - just because they call themselves "socialist" or "communist" - are "Tankies".

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[–] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago (115 children)

Hard-core authoritarian communist. The kinda peeps who support Stalin and shit

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[–] lauchmelder@einweckglas.com 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] LemmyAtem@beehaw.org 26 points 1 year ago (66 children)

Honest question - what's a tankie? I feel like I've seen them mentioned a ton on Lemmy but I'd never heard the term prior to a few days ago. From the image it looks like a maga/skinhead combo?

[–] SirSnufflelump@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They're communists, but not your every day "people should hold the power" communists. More like "tianenmen never happened, and if it did it wasn't that bad" type

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[–] agreyworld@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Tankie was first used for that kind of communist supporter who kept singing Russia's praises/defending Russia even when Russia was sent 5000 tanks to crush a popular uprising in Czechoslovakia (the "Prague Spring") on August 20, 1968. Some people just couldn't accept that a communist country could do something bad, so defended the action.

Nowadays, it's used to refer to those that are strongly supportive of Russia, completely ignoring the awful things they do. Often these days there's a lot of anti American bent to it. Like, anything anti America and American "imperialism" must be good - even blatant and awful Russian Imperialism.

These days they calmly explain how Ukraine just needs to come to the table and discuss peace (ignoring that Ukraine wouldn't exist if they did so) and blame America for the war in Ukraine for... well... they're America. The people who want war, or are causing the war, are those giving Ukraine weapons - not the country that is literally invading it.

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[–] aski3252@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Originally, it was used to describe communists who followed the party line and supported suppressing Hungarian workers with tanks.

Today it means ultra-authoritarian marxist-leninist.

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