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[–] P00P_L0LE@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

take something antifascist and edit it to be anticommunist, classic reddit behavior

[–] PlasmaK@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tankies are not communists. They are blanquists at best.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Tankie really is the liberal version of saying woke, can't you make up a new buzzword?🤧

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your comment has the "Karen is a racial slur" kind of energy.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well I do find Karen to be a misogynist term applied to women to silence them from speaking out, so half a point to you🤩. Anyway, what is your point?

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

And "liberal" is the Tankie go-to for "those we dislike."

Just like it is for the ring-wing fascists.

[–] PlasmaK@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well then, what do you call people stopping workers from seizing means of production while at the same time proclaiming themselves to be champions of the working class?

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I call them liberals💁‍♀️

[–] PlasmaK@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn, you call Lenin a liberal?

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No I call Lenin daddy🥵

What you described was a liberal. People who virtue signal to garner support but do nothing for the working class. A liberal, like you😘

[–] PlasmaK@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What you described was a liberal. People who virtue signal to garner support but do nothing for the working class.

Yeah, Lenin: the counterrevolutionary bastard that seized the power for himself and dismantled all real worker power.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

🤦‍♀️ I am literally in awe that there are people walking around thinking this 🤦‍♀️

[–] arisunz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

tankies aren't communists lmao, stay mad

[–] nunyunuymi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

uh oh you said the forbidden word, here come several of the world's most unfuckable people to tell you about how anti authoritarians are the real fascists and if you'd just spend half a year fully immersing yourself in russian state propaganda, you'd get it too.

[–] arisunz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

oh no they're gonna totally own me with their terminally online amount of factoids while telling me how Genocide Is Okay When We Do It, Actually

[–] nunyunuymi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

magats, but make it left

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"anti-authoritarian" opponets of AES aren't fascists, they are useful idiots for fascists.

[–] nunyunuymi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

don't care + didn't read + stay mad + L + ratio

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

I think not reading is not really something to tout, though very on-brand for liberal "anarchists".

[–] hemko@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That's a nice link you provided. Quick search shows it's from same people (Ben Norton) as Grayzone, which is described in wikipedia as such:

The Grayzone is an American far-left news website and blog founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal. The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project, affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018. A fringe website, it is known for misleading and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes. The Grayzone has denied human rights abuses against Uyghurs, promulgated conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria and other regions, and promoted pro-Russian propaganda during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Grayzone has been described by Commentary as a propaganda shop devoted to pushing pro-Assad, pro-Maduro, pro-Putin, and pro-Hamas narratives.

This is some truth social level shit

[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

anti authoritarian*

you're telling on yourself

[–] sagethesagesage@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I know it's an older image, but it's literally edited to say "Kick ~~Nazis~~ Tankies out"

It's such a blatant attempt to divide the left, and it explicitly does so in favor of dealing with our shared enemy.

Who is telling on who?

[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

left unity is tankie gaslighting.

auth socs put anarchists against the wall before the dust of revolution settles

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

If the anarchists try to violently destroy the DotP as it is being made, yes, but then those are shitty anarchists who aren't appreciating the larger battle to be fought against imperialism.

[–] SKUNK@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

I don't want unity with tankies. We aren't fighting for the same thing.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Anything is authoritarian if it goes against your beliefs apparently🥱, but I guess liberals do have to follow US state department dogma🤷‍♀️

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hello actual communist here. Commies rock, tankies sucks. We really don't need or want authoritarian behavior in communist communities.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

😲 the one true communist has arrived. If you are a communist then read 'On Authority' by Engels and evaluate your own fallacious definition of authority. There is no non-authoritarian revolution.

[–] phthalocyanin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

no state has achieved the liberation of the working class, because the function of the state is to expand and perpetuate its hegemonic power and influence. state authority is fundamentally oppressive.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The state exists as an abstract entity meant to suppress one class of people to the benefit of another class of people. Ergo the state only exists in societies with classes. Communists seek to smash the current state and rebuild one that suppresses capitalists while working towards a classless society in which the state ceases to exist. So yes the state is oppressive, but whether it is good or bad depends on who wields state power.

[–] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Call the containment center, we have an anarchist on our hands.

READ STATE AND REVOLUTION

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

You're being a dummy, this person is literally repeating the doctrinaire Lenin line on the temporary utility of the state.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You my man are beyond saving.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

*Woman

And I thought what I wrote was the gist of it, though I am open to hearing your interpretation.

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What you wrote earlier was an accurate summary, they just misread (I hope).

[–] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I misread indeed, sorry. I'm such an idiot!

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Don't be too hard on yourself. The thread is full of such a variety of toxic takes that it's understandable for your eyes to glaze over a little.

[–] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If there isn't a state, then what happens when the capitalists attack? Who's gonna organize a defense? You think everyone's just going to pick up guns and magically form an invincible anarcho-army?

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean anarchists are able to organize resistance though I think we mostly agree here in that we are both ML or ML adjacent. Like I wrote, communists want to smash the capitalist state that oppresses the working class, while building a new one that serves to oppress the capitalist class which in the end leads to a classless society where the state does not have a purpose anymore.

[–] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, but that will take time. Without a state, the USSR and China could never have done what they did. A loose net of communes just wouldn't work when they were under constant western pressure and sabotage. No offense, but the only "resistance" anarchists have ever put on was a few angry marches and some molotovs. It was still the evil tankie statist army that crushed fascism in WW2.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I don't think we are disagreeing here, though the anarchists did alright in the Spanish civil war.

[–] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I think you're right, lol. I have no idea what we were arguing over now.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

The State power- as a lesson of history- Cannot be wielded for good. It is a corrupting power with its own momentum and incentives.

This is precisely why any positive accomplishments of the Leninist states were undone by corruption, bureaucracy, and power-seeking.

Because the very structure of a state by itself makes it not only possible, but inevitable.

[–] joborun@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What if class was to be determined by both economics (exploitation) and power (oppression), therefore in the USSR all the leninist reformists did was to exchange the wealthy upper class for the all powerful upper class. So at best Leninism is a bad reform of capitalism.

No state can ever achieve anything more than the liberation of the capitalist class. The only liberation for the masses is to seek alternative ways to self govern and abolish any centralized power structures from reforming again.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

This is another reason why the rest of the left calls Tankies Red Fascists. So much behavior is shared.

Like the arrogant mislabeling of everything they dislike as "liberals".

[–] Hedup@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Take something antifascists and edit to be ... still antifascists.