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take something antifascist and edit it to be anticommunist, classic reddit behavior
Tankies are not communists. They are blanquists at best.
Tankie really is the liberal version of saying woke, can't you make up a new buzzword?🤧
Your comment has the "Karen is a racial slur" kind of energy.
Well I do find Karen to be a misogynist term applied to women to silence them from speaking out, so half a point to you🤩. Anyway, what is your point?
And "liberal" is the Tankie go-to for "those we dislike."
Just like it is for the ring-wing fascists.
Well then, what do you call people stopping workers from seizing means of production while at the same time proclaiming themselves to be champions of the working class?
I call them liberals💁♀️
Damn, you call Lenin a liberal?
No I call Lenin daddy🥵
What you described was a liberal. People who virtue signal to garner support but do nothing for the working class. A liberal, like you😘
Yeah, Lenin: the counterrevolutionary bastard that seized the power for himself and dismantled all real worker power.
🤦♀️ I am literally in awe that there are people walking around thinking this 🤦♀️
tankies aren't communists lmao, stay mad
uh oh you said the forbidden word, here come several of the world's most unfuckable people to tell you about how anti authoritarians are the real fascists and if you'd just spend half a year fully immersing yourself in russian state propaganda, you'd get it too.
oh no they're gonna totally own me with their terminally online amount of factoids while telling me how Genocide Is Okay When We Do It, Actually
magats, but make it left
"anti-authoritarian" opponets of AES aren't fascists, they are useful idiots for fascists.
don't care + didn't read + stay mad + L + ratio
I think not reading is not really something to tout, though very on-brand for liberal "anarchists".
That's a nice link you provided. Quick search shows it's from same people (Ben Norton) as Grayzone, which is described in wikipedia as such:
This is some truth social level shit
anti authoritarian*
you're telling on yourself
I know it's an older image, but it's literally edited to say "Kick ~~Nazis~~ Tankies out"
It's such a blatant attempt to divide the left, and it explicitly does so in favor of dealing with our shared enemy.
Who is telling on who?
left unity is tankie gaslighting.
auth socs put anarchists against the wall before the dust of revolution settles
If the anarchists try to violently destroy the DotP as it is being made, yes, but then those are shitty anarchists who aren't appreciating the larger battle to be fought against imperialism.
I don't want unity with tankies. We aren't fighting for the same thing.
Anything is authoritarian if it goes against your beliefs apparently🥱, but I guess liberals do have to follow US state department dogma🤷♀️
Hello actual communist here. Commies rock, tankies sucks. We really don't need or want authoritarian behavior in communist communities.
😲 the one true communist has arrived. If you are a communist then read 'On Authority' by Engels and evaluate your own fallacious definition of authority. There is no non-authoritarian revolution.
Ok Demsoc
no state has achieved the liberation of the working class, because the function of the state is to expand and perpetuate its hegemonic power and influence. state authority is fundamentally oppressive.
The state exists as an abstract entity meant to suppress one class of people to the benefit of another class of people. Ergo the state only exists in societies with classes. Communists seek to smash the current state and rebuild one that suppresses capitalists while working towards a classless society in which the state ceases to exist. So yes the state is oppressive, but whether it is good or bad depends on who wields state power.
Call the containment center, we have an anarchist on our hands.
READ STATE AND REVOLUTION
You're being a dummy, this person is literally repeating the doctrinaire Lenin line on the temporary utility of the state.
Already did😎
You my man are beyond saving.
*Woman
And I thought what I wrote was the gist of it, though I am open to hearing your interpretation.
What you wrote earlier was an accurate summary, they just misread (I hope).
I misread indeed, sorry. I'm such an idiot!
Don't be too hard on yourself. The thread is full of such a variety of toxic takes that it's understandable for your eyes to glaze over a little.
If there isn't a state, then what happens when the capitalists attack? Who's gonna organize a defense? You think everyone's just going to pick up guns and magically form an invincible anarcho-army?
I mean anarchists are able to organize resistance though I think we mostly agree here in that we are both ML or ML adjacent. Like I wrote, communists want to smash the capitalist state that oppresses the working class, while building a new one that serves to oppress the capitalist class which in the end leads to a classless society where the state does not have a purpose anymore.
Yes, but that will take time. Without a state, the USSR and China could never have done what they did. A loose net of communes just wouldn't work when they were under constant western pressure and sabotage. No offense, but the only "resistance" anarchists have ever put on was a few angry marches and some molotovs. It was still the evil tankie statist army that crushed fascism in WW2.
Yes, I don't think we are disagreeing here, though the anarchists did alright in the Spanish civil war.
I think you're right, lol. I have no idea what we were arguing over now.
The State power- as a lesson of history- Cannot be wielded for good. It is a corrupting power with its own momentum and incentives.
This is precisely why any positive accomplishments of the Leninist states were undone by corruption, bureaucracy, and power-seeking.
Because the very structure of a state by itself makes it not only possible, but inevitable.
What if class was to be determined by both economics (exploitation) and power (oppression), therefore in the USSR all the leninist reformists did was to exchange the wealthy upper class for the all powerful upper class. So at best Leninism is a bad reform of capitalism.
No state can ever achieve anything more than the liberation of the capitalist class. The only liberation for the masses is to seek alternative ways to self govern and abolish any centralized power structures from reforming again.
This is another reason why the rest of the left calls Tankies Red Fascists. So much behavior is shared.
Like the arrogant mislabeling of everything they dislike as "liberals".
Take something antifascists and edit to be ... still antifascists.