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[–] starship_lizard@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (8 children)
[–] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

When the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, there were some british leftists who cheered for those tanks driving into Prague. They proved by this that they didn't care about leftism, socialism, democracy or anti-imperialism at all - they approved the imperialism and militarism of the Soviet regime.

Their praise for the rolling tanks is what gave them their name: Tankies.

So, people who love North Korea, or defend russia invading Ukraine, people, who stand by even the most autoritarian, anti-democratic, militaristic, imperialistic regimes - just because they call themselves "socialist" or "communist" - are "Tankies".

[–] Coryneform@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And Stalinist, Maoists, and other authoritarian Communists.

Usually they also "love" countries like North Korea, China, and for whatever reason (aNtI iMpErIaLiSm), Syria, Russia, and so on.

Red Fascists. They use the same tactics of gas lighting and goal post shifting.

[–] GuyDudeman@possumpat.io 9 points 1 year ago

And engaging in bad faith but accusing everyone else of engaging in bad faith.

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[–] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago (100 children)

Hard-core authoritarian communist. The kinda peeps who support Stalin and shit

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 25 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Isn't "authoritarian communist" kind of an oxymoron? 😂 like the whole point of communism is that there isn't a ruling class. I guess Russia and China were never really communist, just statist authoritarian right? I mean, the Nazis called themselves Socialist. They were nowhere near that

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 21 points 1 year ago

Isn’t “authoritarian communist” kind of an oxymoron?

Yes. Yes, it is. I sometimes call them “pseudocommunists” for this reason.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't "authoritarian communist" kind of an oxymoron?

Most real life implementations of communism used an authoritarian one party system. You can say these aren't true examples of communism, but that just ends up sounding like cope unfortunately.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago

None of those states ever gave economic or political power to the working classes.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago

Fair point. Though so far, there hasn't really been any system at all that didn't lead to genocide and/or class based opression. From monarchs to feudal Lords to capitalist oligarchies and communist dictators, terrible people always rise to the top.

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago

As how Marx outlined Communism as the evolution of Capitalism once it reaches a scale of production that everyone can have their needs met, resulting in a classless, stateless, moneyless society, then yes authoritarian communist is an oxymoron.

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[–] lauchmelder@einweckglas.com 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] limbo99@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the prog-lib equivalent of woke. It's used dismiss leftists with out engaging with our arguments. The term has lite ideological or argumentative use.

[–] Darorad@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Libs use it that way, actual leftists use it to describe fascists that think they're on the left and like red flags.

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