The "Law and Order" party is now cool with all laws being subject to a popularity contest.
this post was submitted on 21 Aug 2023
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So, the rules matter when they lose to popular vote but win in the Electoral College, but don't matter when they are arrested?
He’s so damn scared of taking a hard stance on trump. Pathetic, sniveling coward
It’s not that he actually believes this, it’s that the party’s base has determined that you can’t oppose Trump, so they need to find a reason why people should vote for them instead of Trump while not taking the position that Trump should be in jail.
It’s the usual mental gymnastics. Desantis is doing the exact same thing.
This is the best answer.
An assault on Trump is an assault on the idiots who made it their identity to support him.
They can't let him be insulted.
The only winning move is to just offer a better solution and ignore him.
The only winning move is to just offer a better solution and ignore him.
You'd think a better solution would be easy to find, but they spent so long indoctrinating their own followers to be loyal to names rather than concepts that they now fear these followers may attach to the Trump name.
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There is nothing more cowardly than a Republican.
Funny how convicted felons can have their voting rights taken away, but letting a person who tried to sabotage the voting system to win unfairly run for president again? Suuure!
Not only that, but it's a direct parallel to how the rich have so much more rights than the poor - and the worst part is this guy's fans ARE dirt poor, some may even be felons, who have no right to vote, some of which probably tried to vote illegally because "owning the libs is what matters"... because again, decentralisation, proper vote count, democratic and parliamentary process, this is all bullshit anyways, so let's just game the system!
Like you have to be a special kind of stupid - and I don't mean that in an ableist kind of way, but in a way that this needs to be studied by scientists, because of how absurdly brain-dead it really is.
Like here's a hint: if you set a political precedent where your guy can do it, what's to prevent the other guy from doing it? Does MAGA stand for "make America gullible again"?
I agree with the sentiment that his actions should preclude him from running, but felon disenfranchisement is something that isn't talked about nearly enough and I think it's absolutely insane so many people lose their RIGHT to vote.
Given the surge in felony disenfranchisement laws during the Civil War and after the adoption of the 14th Amendment makes it pretty damn clear that it was to keep black people from voting. And looking at the US map of the 2023 felony disenfranchisement laws, it is pretty damn clear that not much has changed.
Like US states were originally against state police, because their local sheriff and local "court systems" did just fine. Can you guess why state police and also inter-state police collaboration became a thing?
If you said to catch freemen and return them to slavery for jaywalking or looking at a white woman the wrong way, you'd sadly be correct.
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"That needs to be left to the American people" - but only for one day out of four years in a heavily gerrymandered system where big money has done everything to attempt to dissolve social networks in favor of acquiring and bombarding propaganda through local and mainstream media, and that's only before another four years of major corruption scandals with idiots who look the other way when given stupid conspiracy theories wear down the last vestiges of democracy in the US that are left.
- Added the quiet part
Didnt the American People give themselves a constitution and laws already for this reason?
14th amendment, section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/
Ah, so he's essentially been disqualified at this point. I suppose a conviction will make that certain.
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Only the second amendment of the US Constitution counts. Didn't you know that? Duh.
That not true! Racists also value something that resembles the first amendment, because they think it grants them a platform to be vile.
Jesus, what an absurd, chickenshit take.
Does pence know what justice being "left to the people" looks like?
It's fuckin' guillotiney, mate.
Considering they built a guillotine outside the Capitol for him, you'd think he would.
In the interest of accuracy, it was a gallows.
See this is the ridiculous misinformation the left spreads. The rioters were never threatening to kill Pence with a guillotine, it was just a harmless gallows
he definitely has a cuck fetish
So Republicans are going to just gonna act like the 3rd section of the 14th amendment doesn't exist? And they think this is a winning strategy?
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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Incredible how one orange fat man can be this much of a Boogeyman to republicans.
It's a devils bargain the RNC made when they first championed this brain drain MAGA nonsense.
Now the field is flooded with candidates who can repeat these easy to remember, ultimately meaningless nationalism talking points and the RNC will be split.
Any type of split means the Dems will sweep. The Dems are gonna run one candidate, and it's the incumbent.
So he won't be able to vote but he can be President. Hilarious.
Pence showing some old testament level Stockholm syndrome
Pence is being blamed for Trump not being successful in his coup, and his numbers show it. What else does Pence have? Roe V Wade? Voters are furious about that, too. Republicans are trying to save their asses on this overreach, too. Pence is on the wrong side of everything. Maybe it's a sign.
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That needs to be left to the American people
whenever they say something like this you know they're fucking as many people as they can
The people did decide already, when it got included in the constitution.
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How does Mike Pence have any donors? I mean literally who would give him money? He's not even trying to win. Clearly he's not you don't try to win and then do this for your biggest opponent. I mean most of them aren't trying to win. This entire Republican primary is basically just a fundraising endeavor to furnish their own private lavish lifestyles.
So a convicted felon can lose their right to vote, but they can still be President. Gottit.
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He's already persona non grata with MAGA. That ship has sailed, Mike; it's over the fucking horizon, buddy. TBH, if he'd taken a hard stance and has been saying "yeah, bitch, that's right, I alone saved democracy and prevented a civil war*, die mad about it", I'd like him a lot more, I'd even consider him a serious contender for the GOP candidacy. But Mike can't seem to decide who he is. One day he wakes up and it's right back to simpering up to Trump and MAGA, and the next day he wakes up and lets MAGA know that he's got the world's biggest case of Ligma. Which is it, Mike: are you a crony with a spine that's weaker than Raditz, or are you a democracy saving, woman avoiding, sigma grinding badass?
*I know that Mike alone didn't save democracy, but, speaking as someone who's never voted Republican his whole life, it's undeniable that Mike played a crucial role in the outcome of J6. It's one of those few moments in history that really was balanced on the point of a knife and Pence did exactly the right thing by consistently refusing to play ball with these fucks.
Such a cowardly response. Just like most Republicans right now.
Aren’t elected officials supposed to represent the people? Why don’t they just do their jobs?
Let's put everything up to a direct popular vote. Just direct democracy. Why does Congress get to overrule the "will of the American people" when it makes laws?
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I mean, if it was a convicted-for-shoplifting situation, and the person had completed the sentence, that would be one thing. But this? Even seeing it from halfway across the world, what happened was shocking.
So it's only when it comes to the right to bear arms that the constitution actually matters?
As a non US citizen living in Europe US Republican things are confusing to say the least.... 😂
The equation in my mind is, is this guy just trying to show that he’s a Republican team player, or does he actually think that some of Trump’s cult might vote for him if Trump isn’t on the ballot? Or maybe he’s holding on to a hope that if his former boss can stay out of jail long enough to get the nomination, that he might get his old job back?
All bad choices.
So, the first thing to remember about a conservative is that their beliefs aren't based on anything more than what they want. Conservatives build their ideology around their identity, not the other way around. It's certainly not based on rational thought or reality. A conservative decides what is good for them personally, and then looks for ideas and causes that support themselves.
To answer your question, Pence wants to remain relevant. Trump, like it or not, has a devoted following of die-hard supporters. Pence wants to be in the race long enough to have a crack at being the second choice should Trump's legal woes keep him off the ballot. What Pence says and what Pence believes are entirely unrelated.
Fwiw many people applaud Pence for not caving to the pressure from Trump to try to subvert the electoral process. I don't. Pence had neither the authority nor the will to make Trump the winner of the election. Pence did what was best for Pence, and had he attempted to interfere, he would have been equally unsuccessful and would now be considered a coconspirator. I doubt he imagined Trump would still have a loyal following, but that's just because I think Pence is also kind of stupid.
Politics is about perception. Trump voters perceive Pence as the guy who failed them. He wants people to perceive him as the responsible adult during the Trump administration, doing his duty as a Republican and as VP. He also wants donors to perceive him as an influential leader, so they keep giving him money. Of course none of those things are true, so for an outside observer trying to parse the logic of his situation, it's a bit of a play within a play within a bowl of vomit.
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While Trump is obviously a POS and I'd love for him to be banned from running, not allowing anyone to run for office from prison would set a really dangerous precedent.
It would be because of prison; it would be because of leading an insurrection. These aren't even close to the same.
So, he’s against the constitution then?
The fear of the Cheeto Pudding among GOP contenders is almost funny. But not really.
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If the crimes didn't include insurrection I'd agree with him. It seems we've carved out a specific exemption for that.
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