can we start calling these "evangelicals" for what they are? cultist recruiters
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Nationalist-christians, or "Nat-Cs" for short.
Christian Taliban would do.
I like the term: Y'all Qaeda.
"I read an essay by a christian a while ago that pointed out that the separation of church and state wasn’t about protecting the state from religion - it was about protecting religion from the state."
Without knowing the author or their reasons for saying that, I would say that they have it wrong entirely. The majority of governments before the US almost always had some level of theocracy attached to it. We took our independence from a man who quite literally was pretending to be God's representative on earth.
Within that context, its very hard to see the constitution as intending anything other than a full divorce between politics and religion.
As a European, even though I know of the separation of church and state in the US, I feel that religion in politics still is very important in the states.
I mean that most candidates are very publicly religious and I have the idea that religious affiliation is still very important in the electoral vote, more so than where I live.
Correct me if I'm wrong, by the way, but I don't know what religion most of our politicians abide by, except those in a religious party. Where I would think that in America, if a candidate were non religious it would affect electability.
You are 100% right, here is a study from 2016 which shows being atheist hurts worse than being muslim.
Yes, but in the US we don't make our leader the head of a state religion when they take office.
That is what the Brits do. And, quite frankly, when Henry VIII made that move to get out from under papal control, I'd say it was a pretty progressive act.
But my comment was about how important the religiosity of political candidates is in an electoral correct. I have little insight into the importance of religious status of candidates in Britain, but I don't think the British electorate really cares is someone is Catholic.
At the time of the Constitution there were several states with official state religions (Pennslyvania, Maryland, RI etc...) Separation of Church and state was more of making sure that the Federal Governent didn't impose a religion upon the states themselves.
Odd because Madison who wrote the establishment clause formed it specifically to stop his state from having government funded religious schools.
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Pennsylvania and Rhode Island never had established churches; both were founded in part as havens for religious dissenters.
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...uhh, doesn't that mean by their rules they won't get into heaven anymore? "Yeah he died for our sins, but he's a weak ass lil punk" is a wild sentiment to have and still expect to make it past the pearly gates.
If I am remembering correctly the only thing needed to get into heaven is to accept Jesus as your saviour and truely believe. Most of these people believe they are saved because they said some words and attend church regularly. They dont know the scripture outside the big ones, John 3:16 and probably the one in Leviticus about not sleeping with another man. Everything else is new to them every time they hear it.
Im going to keep it real with you, my focus at this point is on MasterObee's bigoted hoe ass rn, my lil jokey joke is of litte importance. I do appreciate your input though.
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Evangelicals have been a lost cause since the mid-80s. They store everything on earth, not in heaven.
They were already lost by the late 60s, early 70s. The proliferation of evangelical schools was in direct response to integration. They didn't want their precious little children to have to go to school with black kids so they pulled them out of public schools and put them in segregation academies. Now they want to pull all the money from the public schools they abandoned out of racism and divert it into their segregation academy system.
They also shut down a lot of public pools because they didn't want to swim with black people.
Once I heard about this I looked at the founding dates of all the private schools in my area. Everything was founded in the mid 70's.
Wow! This is literally a case of Poe's Law in action!
I was ready to discount this as satire, especially when they ran the quote from Russell Moore speaking to NPR, but failing to quote the source...
So I ran it down, sure enough!
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/08/1192663920/southern-baptist-convention-donald-trump-christianity
"On why he thinks Christianity is in crisis:
It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — "turn the other cheek" — [and] to have someone come up after to say, "Where did you get those liberal talking points?" And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, "I'm literally quoting Jesus Christ," the response would not be, "I apologize." The response would be, "Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak." And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we're in a crisis."
I like your Christ, you Christians are nothing like your Christ
The closer I got to Christ, the less republican I became. I had to actually stop going to church because my views changed so drastically, the other church members were attacking me. It's certainly crazy to discover that mainstream Christianity today is anything but.
I remember in jr high relgion class and learning about how jesus was fighting against corupt religious authority. In a Catholic school
There's an old Margaret Cho joke about how if Jesus were to return today, he'd be screaming, "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!"
"They hated Jesus, because he told them the truth"
There is nobody more pretentious and judgemental than an evangelical.
These are the same people who are protesting at libraries while their children are literally raped by clergy.
Did they want to only hear the part about the fig tree? Jesus has wrath unimaginable. He whipped people for selling merchandise in a church.
“It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves” (verse 22, KJV). Jesus was a bad ass, and he would have whipped the entire GOP and ran them from his house had he been alive now.
protip: evangelicalizing was always smokescreen for racists, baptists same, catholics same. christianity is racism, always has been, always will be.
Sorry but no, that's way too broad of a brush. There definitely ARE sects of christianity that are good, kind, and loving. They might be the minority (or at least seem to be the minority) but they do exist, and there are millions of those congregants.
Quakers, Episcopalians, UUs generally seemed on the decent side, at least with what they claim to believe and based on my personal anecdata.
And what's their reward? A dying denomination.
The only growing Christian populations are the hateful ones. I have to deal with the Christians that actually exist.
I always try to keep in mind that when talking about groups to which I am not a member, they are likely more diverse than their representation would suggest. Examples like this really help clear things up. These are people to whom I would be proud to be an ally.
Now look at what the Jesuits were up to 3/400 years ago and see whether you still want to be associated with them.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That means Jesus and I are now cool with each other, even though his whole story is sus AF.
Did you ever watch Black Jesus? Everybody thought he was loony as fuck but they appreciated the spirit in which he went about things, so instead of revering him they just help him out like they would any other friend. I'd chill with Jesus.
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I hate evangerlicals becuase they sound like con artists and grifters
I hate them because they're committing genocide against me and people like me.
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We'll make our own Jesus! With violence and racism!
You mean that they started to actually read the bible?
Wait until they find out what colour he would have been.
And if God made man in his image, know that the first men were from Africa. If he were real he'd be pissed as fuck at these people.
Dude might look like homo erectus. Or just a full on ape man like planet of the apes type shit and he's fully on-board with evolution. "yea man, those are the laws of nature I created. You spent how long denying it in my name? Wtf man."
Their Jesus is white and speaks English. If their was an actual person fitting the profile they would have a Mediterranean complexion.
Heh, English. I'll have you know the REAL Jesus speaks 'Murican!
Citation? Oh degenerate rag. Forget it.
I'd like to see a real study on this, because this "news" is a few layers of hearsay, and I'm not sure it would hold up to a real investigation.
It certainly matches what their behavior is, but I don't know how much you'd really see evangelicals actually saying what is being claimed. Honestly, I don't even know anymore, which is why I think a real poll/survey/study is needed.
I was ready to discount this as satire, especially when they ran the quote from Russell Moore speaking to NPR, but failing to quote the source...
So I ran it down, sure enough!
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/08/1192663920/southern-baptist-convention-donald-trump-christianity
"On why he thinks Christianity is in crisis:
It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — "turn the other cheek" — [and] to have someone come up after to say, "Where did you get those liberal talking points?" And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, "I'm literally quoting Jesus Christ," the response would not be, "I apologize." The response would be, "Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak." And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we're in a crisis."
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