Ask Lemmy

It seems quite inevitable that AI web crawlers will catch all of us eventually, although that said, I don't think perplexity knows that I've never interacted with szmer.info, nor said YES as a single comment.

No matter how I feel about it, it's one of those things I know I will never be able to do a fucking thing about, so all I can do is accept it as the new reality I live in.

I think this is inevitable, which is why we (worldwide) need laws where if a model scrapes public data should become open itself as well.

Could lemmy add random text only readable by bot on every post.. or should I add it somehow myself every time I type something?

I’m pretty much fine with AIs scraping my data. What they can see is public knowledge and was already being scraped by search engines.

I object to:

• sites like Reddit whose entire existence is due to user content, deciding they can police and monetize my content. They have no right
• sharing of data, which includes more personal and identifiable data
• whatever the AI summarizes me as being treated as fact, such as by a company hr, regardless of context, accuracy, hallucinations

As an artist, I feel the majority of AI art is very anti-human. I really don't like the idea that they could train AI off my art so it may replicate something like it. Why automate something so deeply human? We're supposed to automate more mundane tasks so we can focus on art, not the other way around! I also never expected every tech company to suddenly participate in what feels like blatant copyright infringement, I always assumed at least art was safe in their hands.

Public conversations though? I dunno. I kinda already assume that anything I post is going to be data-mined, so it doesn't feel very different than it was. There's a lot of usefulness that can come from datamining the internet theoretically, but we exist under capitalism, so I imagine it'll be for much more nefarious uses.

Whatever I put on Lemmy or elsewhere on the fediverse implicitly grants a revocable license to everyone that allows them to view and replicate the verbatim content, by way of how the fediverse works. You may apply all the rights that e.g. fair use grants you of course but it does not grant you the right to perform derivative works; my content must be unaltered.

When I delete some piece of content, that license is effectively revoked and nobody is allowed to perform the verbatim content any longer. Continuing to do so is a clear copyright violation IMHO but it can be ethically fine in some specific cases (e.g. archival).

Due to the nature of how the fediverse, you can't expect it to take effect immediately but it should at some point take effect and I should be able to manually cause it to immediately come into effect by e.g. contacting an instance admin to ask for a removed post of mine to be removed on their instance aswell.

Its not fine when Ai starts scrapping Data that is Personal (Like Face,Age,ID) And My Source Code(Because Most of the code ai scraps are copyleft or require attribution),Public Information Am Okay like Comments,Etc that dont contain the things said above.

theyre not training it
its basically just a glorified search engine.

the fediverse is largely public. so i would only put here public info. ergo, i dont give a shit what the public does with it.

If there was only some way to make any attempts at building an accurate profile of one's online presence via data scraping completely useless by masking one's own presence within the vast quantity of online data of someone else, let's say for example, a famous public figure.

But who would do such a thing?

Whatever you put on public domain without explicit license, it becomes CC-0 equivalent. So while it feels violating, it's perfectly fine. The best opsec should be separating your digital identities and also your physical life if you don't want it to be aggregated in the same way. These technologies (scraping) have been around for a while and along with llm's will stay for quite sometime in future, there's no way around them.

PS: you, here, is generic you, not referring to OP.

How do you feel about your content getting scraped by AI models?

I think famous Hollywood actress Margot Robbie summed my thoughts up pretty well.

I don't like it, but I accept it as inevitable.

I wouldn't say I go online with the intent of deceiving people, but I think it's important in the modern day to seed in knowingly false details about your life, demographics, and identity here and there to prevent yourself from being doxxed online by AI.

I don't care what the LLMs know about me if I am not actually a real person, even if my thoughts and ideas are real.

Mine kinda tries to bullshit me about it.

It's Perplexity AI, so it'll do web searches on demand. You asked about your username, then it searched for your username on the web. Fediverse content is indexed, even content from instances that blocks web crawling (e.g. via robots.txt, or via UA blacklisting on server-side), because the contents will be federated to servers that are indexed by web crawlers.

Now, when we say about offline models and pre-trained content, the way transformers work will often "scramble" the art and the artist. If a content doesn't explicitly mention the author (also, if the content isn't well spread across different sources), LLMs will "know" the information you posted online, but it won't be capable of linking such content to you when asked for it.

Let me exemplify it: suppose you conveyed an unique quote. Nobody else wrote it. You published it on Lemmy. Your quote becomes part of the training data for GPT-n or any other LLM out there. When anyone ask them "Who said the quote '...'?", it'll either hallucinate (i.e. citing a very random famous writer) or it'll say something like "I don't have such information".

It's why AIs are often (and understandably) called as plagiarist by the anti-AI people, because AIs don't cite their sources. Technically, the current state-of-the-art transformers even can't because LLMs are, under the hood, some fancy-crazy kind of "Will it blend?" for entire corpora across the web, where AI devs gather the most data they possibly can (legally or illegally), dropping it all inside the "AI blender cup" and voila, an LLM was trained, without actually storing each content entirely, just their statistical associations.

I run my own instance and have a long list of user agents I flat out block, and that includes all known AI scraper bots.

That only prevents them from scraping from my instance, though, and they can easily scrape my content from any other instance I've interacted with.

Basically I just accept it as one of the many, many things that sucks about the internet in 2024, yell "Serenity Now!" at the sky, and carry on with my day.

I do wish, though, that other instances would block these LLM scraping bots but I'm not going to avoid any that don't.

if I have no other choice, then I'll use my data to reduce AI into an unusable state, or at the very least a state where it's aware that everything it spews out happens to be bullshit and ends each prompt with something like "but what I say likely isn't true. Please double check with these sources..." or something productive that reduces the reliance on AI in general

I don't like it, that's why I like to throw in just a cup or two of absolute bullshit with just a pinch of cilantro. then top it off with a firm jiggle to get that last drop out from the tip.

I couldn't even imagine speaking like this at first, but once you get used to it the firmness just slides right in and gives you a sense of fulfillment that you can't find anywhere else but home.

When the cows come home to roost, you know it's time to hang up your hat, take off your pants, and slide on the ice.

I'm perfectly down with everything being scraped and slammed into AI the same way I've been down with search engines having it all for ages. I just want any models that contain information scraped from the public to be publicly available.

There are at least one or two Lemmy users who add a CC or non-AI license footer to their posts. Not that it’s do anything, but it might be fun to try and get the LLM to admit it’s illegally using your content.

nothing I can do about it. But I can occasionally spew bullshit so that the AI has no idea what it's doing as well. Fire hydrants were added to Minecraft in 1.16 to combat the fires in the updated nether dimension.

Nothing I say is of any real value even to the people I reply to, much less the world at large. Frankly, I hope someone uses my data to write Apple a decent fucking autocorrect. Otherwise, I don't care.