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At McDonald's, I saw that their sweet tea comes from a plastic bag inside a metal container, which stays in there all day. That doesn’t seem sanitary. Then I found out some places, like Olive Garden, heat soup in plastic bags by putting them in hot water. Isn’t this like leaving a water bottle in a hot car, where plastic leaches into the liquid? How is this okay? Like, I feel like that would be so explicitly illegal in other countries. Taking a big plastic bag of soup and just throwing it in water for the plastic to obviously separate from the bag and be intermingled with the food...

It sounds a lot like poison, like it's literally poisonous. Like how is this okay in the USA?

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Wait till you hear the chlorine washed chicken news!

Chickens in the USA are typically "battery chickens", which is actually about as brutal as it sounds. They're kept in way too small spaces, unable to move around, and stand and sit in their own feces all day.

The chlorine wash helps them pass lab tests for lack of pathogens, because small amounts of chlorine get onto the test samples and kill the bacteria, but the chlorine is only surface deep. Salmonella is endemic, and many chickens' undersides are actually rotting from being in their own filth all day. But if the bacteria test passes, it's fine and the big corporation buying the cheap chicken doesn't care.

Salmonella infections and food poisoning generally are relatively high as a result of these kind of profit-driven practices.

The boil in the bag thing isn't a big deal by comparison, but no, the USA does not have strong food safety standards, the USA has strong lobbying and openly legal corporate funding of politicians that would be seen as corruption in many other countries.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Another reason to stay as far away as possible from there

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 51 points 6 days ago

A plastic bag in a metal container sounds about as sanitary as it gets. It's far better to keep the tea in a sterile bag until it's needed rather than pouring it into another, potentially contaminated, container and storing it there.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 42 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Not sure if you're aware, but sanitary just means that there's no microbial growth that would cause illness.

That's a separate food from plastics leeching.

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[–] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Based on your post let me ask you this: what would be more sanitary? Just to show this isn't a post in bad faith

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This post is all over the place, conflating plastic leeching with sanitary concerns, throwing out vague concerns and then panicking that there must be NO standards. To really answer it would require giving someone a comprehensive education in food safe materials science, likely fighting though many dearly-held misconceptions along the way. Anyone who thinks that plastic touching food is a health risk must have all their meals brought to them on a plate, and have no idea how food is delivered to stores or packaged for sale.

[–] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

The question was rhetorical, I never expected OP to reply. Based on his other replies he's just doing what he's paid to do

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The sugar in the sweet tea is probably far more dangerous than its food-grade packaging

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Indeed! Sugar is a chemical!

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 37 points 6 days ago

Soup in plastic bags is the standard in most industrial kitchens all over the world.

Especially when you heat them 'au bain marie' it's safe-ish. I don't store food in plastic containers because even food grade plastic leaches but it's generally allowed.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

first the bag thing is not even remotely a us only thing, and second heating food in plastic is sanitary (bc that refers to cleanliness). idk what term would be best for heating food in plastic, but I do agree it should be banned.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 8 points 6 days ago

I had forgotten about that... maybe instead of banning it outright it should be restricted to plastics that are certified heating-safe. in hindsight that should've been my take from the start as it aligns much better with my political views (in this case, it matters that I believe most things should only be restricted and not banned outright, an easy example being substances like weed and alcohol).

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nobody tell them about aluminium soda cans

[–] Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 6 days ago

Or about freezing nearly expired foods.

[–] Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 6 days ago

Lol, no.

And within the next four years, it'll be non-existent.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

Maybe you should make sure this doesn't happen in other industrial countries before shitting on the US

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ive seen boil in the bag food in the UK. Not really sure what the issue is.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've seen troopies boil the foil ration bags in the hot water, and then use the hot water for tea.

And we (twitch) turned out fine.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People pay a lot of money in fancy restaurants to have their food cooked in a plastic bag lol

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago

Ah yes. Sous vide enters the chat

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago

Feel free to crosspost to !AskUSA@discuss.online

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 7 points 6 days ago

You sound like an aspiring journalist. Good luck with it.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Ya you’re being poisoned no matter where you live. Get used to it.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 6 days ago

USA bad. Uplemmy left

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The USA puts colourings, additives, and other bits a pieces in food that is unnecessary, or unhealthy, but creates flavour. Then they go to other countries and say “your food tastes like shit”.

[–] kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Packaged foods in different countries are exactly the same as what you can find in the US. They are all loaded up with the same stuff. But, just like anywhere else in the world, lots of people make their own food from scratch or buy healthy alternatives.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Holy shit NO! Half of your additives are illegal in Europe

[–] kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

First, don't assume "your". Second, you are using the EU as a reference. What about the Middle East, Asia, Africa, or the Pacific? As someone who has traveled the world, there is junk food in every culture and most of it is garbage.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

USA use chlorine, excessive amounts of salt and sugar, and a ridiculous amounts of other additives.

Other countries regs are much stronger.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 6 days ago

Us did pioneer the slop industry so we ate three generations into consuming that trash to t point where maw grew up eating hamburger helper. Majority of Americans don't even understand what is or how it is made beyond what commercials tell them.

Blue coloured corn flakes is yummm tho 🤡

Or Cheerios.

Won't eat oatmeal...

Too Poor too cook rice and beans, but will eat chips out of the back that costs 3-4x of rice and beans

Even fast food ain't cheap no more but at least, they cutting back on that now.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The fuck are yall on about... food from anywhere else is the best. I would go to events in Iceland regurally enough and it takes me a week or so after getting back to stop noticing that everything state side tastes like plastic.

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