No no no this time is different.
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Yeah, this time English is their native language.
Are you sure? It's not always clear.
If anyone asks how the Germans could elect a wannabe autocrat populist and how many people could ignore clear signs of genocide going on.
Now you know.
Edit
A lot of people commenting about either my observation not being astute enough, or misinterpreting history in one way or another.
My observation is solely about and how these things happen it's not very conspirational nor institutional, just weaponized anxiety, populism, polarity and apathy.
The particular brand of ideology, or the identity of the perpetrator does very little for the equation. People being selfish and wilfully ignorant as long as they are pandered to.
We've been watching fascists pile into legislatures from Russia to the UK for decades. It's cute to make everything about Hitler, but this isn't an event unique to '33.
- Fearmomgering over migrants
- Secular violence encouraged by colonial powers
- Stagnating global economies and bottlenecks in critical resources
- Anti-colonialism in the third world
- Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party
You can find historical parallels in the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Irish Troubles, Modi's rise in India and the Nixon/Reagan reaction to the US civil rights movement, the military coups in Guatemala and El Salvador, the dictatorships of South Korea and South Vietnam...
There's deeper historical roots to Trumpism than just "America made another oopsie cause we're dumb-dumbs"
Sure yeah.
The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator. And now, almost 100 years later, it's looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well. I don't know about you, but I'm generally slightly afraid, and I'm not even American.
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Culture of obedience within a society coupled with lack of critical thinking.
Also, genocide is good when the Israeli Jew does it!
Don't be an anti Semite 🤡
First of all, fuck Israel, it’s a disgusting, genocidal, colonialist state. But with that said, unironically, your message comes across as quite anti-semitic, because you went to some deliberate effort to write “Israeli Jew”. Why? There are loads of jews in Israel who are our allies in opposing the Israeli state’s genocide.
Israel is genocidal and is itself anti-semitic. Conflating Israel with judaism is anti-semitic, and more than anyone else, we should all know better than to do this right-wing dog whistle shit.
- The term Israeli Jew is used by the Israeli government. Because there are more than 2 million Israeli Arabs who live as third class citizens. Though they prefer to identify as Palestinians their legal status is distinct from other Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank who are stateless and live under a military occupation or under siege.
- Israeli polls show the majority of Israeli Jews support the genocide. In the US I think the support was 60% for the genocide among US Jews. This doesn’t deny that we have Jewish allies but they are clearly less than half the global Jewish population.
- I agree we shouldn’t conflate any nation state with a religion. Zionism itself started among Christians who wanted to bring back Jesus. Zionism then evolved to become a way for Europe to get rid of its Jews and colonize the Middle East.
Turning up the controversy to 11: there is a double standard in people blaming other religions for everything but not allowing criticism of Judaism. Even on Lemmy people will gladly insult Islam and Christianity but criticism of Judaism is a taboo.
This is a good recent video pointing out how far the double standard goes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taIyXzFx2oo
I do agree that there is no real benefit to using the term Judaism for Israel. Zionism has created their own subsect which is a nation-state movement rather than a religion.
You know what really, really, really sucks?
All of this. Take the titles and names of the religions away. Make up new words. Call them all whatever you want to and you know what they all have in common?
Their humanity.
Any of us would be animals under the right circumstances. All of history says exactly that.
I wish we could find a way to do away with all of it.
Even then though, atheist states have committed mass murder. It isn’t just religion, it’s humanity. Isn’t that sad?
If we erased all of our history tomorrow and gave humans a damn Nintendo and a handful of cartridges, we’d be killing each other over Mario bros in 100 years.
I really wish I was just sitting in a dirty house in West Virginia, breathing exclusively from my mouth, saliva dripping at my feet. I wish I didn’t see humanity for what it is.
What really, really sucks is that we could drop this crap and get along if we were truly intelligent. We aren’t. We’re herds of bloodthirsty animals making things up so we can FEEL like we have meaning.
Oh well.
That’s interesting, I wonder if there’s some historical precedent that may make people slightly more concerned about anti-semitism rather than anti-christian sentiment.
Fuck all religions, criticise Judaism all you want. But if you start talking about jews (or Christians or Muslims) as if they’re some sort of monolithic group, you’re being an asshole.
Edit: Holy shit, I watched the first 10 seconds of that video and the guest said “Jewish supremacy is the biggest threat to the world today”, which is one of the most overt, outrageously anti-semitic statements I’ve heard in the 21st century. Whoever that guy is, he should not be allowed on TV or YouTube, holy fuck.
Okay now continue watching the rest of the video and do keep that outrage you had about Judaism in the back of your mind.
See if you have that same outrage when guests on Piers say similar things about other religions as the presenter shows examples of.
There’s no way I’m watching any more of that absolutely disgusting bile. I hate Piers Morgan, he’s a horrible, racist, piece of shit. I’m just as outraged about people being islamophobic. People being islamophobic doesn’t mean that we should accept anti-semitism, what kind of backwards argument is this?
I wonder if there’s some historical precedent that may make people slightly more concerned about anti-semitism rather than anti-christian sentiment.
Yes, genocide only happened to the jews, no other group has ever suffered either...
The entire WW2 history is not being used to excuse genocide conducted by Israeli jews.
People are dying but you are buthurt because criminals being named lol
Yeah i never get this clown responses when i shit on islam and catholic church being pedophiles... but god forbid country of war criminals get closed for what they are.
Are we supposed to ignore that that this genocide is ethnic/religious flavour to it?
your message comes across as quite anti-semitic, because you went to some deliberate effort to write “Israeli Jew”. Why?
It's a self-identified religious apartheid state. You say it for the same reason you'd talk about Irish Catholics versus Irish Protestants, or Hinduvistas, or Radical Islamic Terrorists.
The Arabs aren't the ones bombing Gaza, blockading the ports to induce a famine, and systematically raping captives.
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You can get away with anything when 99% of the voters don't actually care about the quality of the people we elect, and that's the US.
And my Jewish mother still thinks we're making a mistake by fleeing.
And this being despite her knowing that my father's mother had to get her mother-in-law out of Nazi Germany by sheer force of will and determination in the 1930s, but not without sewing the few valuables she had remaining that the Nazis hadn't seized into her coat.
If my dad was alive, he'd be helping us pack.
Julius Caesar elected Praetor. Trade up in the imperial forums. Gauls are poisoning the blood of Rome.
History doesn't repeat but it sure as shit rhymes!
Man. The writers for this timeline really are lazy pieces of shit. How can they just reuse the same stale plot line and continue to collect paychecks? This show has really gone downhill.
6/10 simulation some events repeat and there's people with too many gems while there's players who are stuck at the "job" minigame
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They also did an editorial piece on each US nominee and in trumps they said they don't think he will actually be the end of democracy. Let's see how that ages
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Well, he didn't disrupt the nations's "affairs." The allies started doing that in 1942.
It's not the same! Hitler tried to overthrow the government with Beerhall Coup before! Wait....
I have some american stocks and funds and have seen a pretty weird increases in them. Wondering whether selling all of them would be a good idea right now...
... but then again the rise kept going the last time Trump was president so I dunno.
Also: Trump is not Hitler. Republicans are not the nazi party. I hope this comment doesn't age like milk.
Maybe it's not about US for once, but rather the putler?
Mussolini is one of the most cultured men in Italy[...]
-The New York Times 1922
NYT are notorious genocide deniers and otherwise apologists though... always have been since at least 1930s.
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Ignore the curbing of your own freedoms! We are stomping on the necks of the people you irrationally fear and that is all that matters! History does not repeat but boy does it rhyme.
9/11 2.0 is about due to shake these plebs into Patriot act 2.0
God dammit history
...the worst impulses of Hitler and the Nazis could be "controlled" or "tamed" once they bore responsibility for leading the national government (rather than criticizing others' administration of it).
I'm sure it'll be different this time around /s
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