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Here's a copy and paste from the 1933 article:

Rise in Stocks Reflects Confidence He Will Not Disrupt Nation's Affairs

Berlin is settling down to pass judgment on political developments. Politicians, economists and bankers declare there is usually wide discrepancy between the speeches of opposition politicians and the actions of the group when it gains power.

Consequently, it is not believed that Hitler will accomplish a change in the constitution or that [Reich Minister of Economics Alfred] Hugenberg will bring about a general reduction of interest rates. The government wants to obtain an adjournment of the Reichstag for several months, but it is questionable whether the Centre [Party] will approve of such action.

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[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

First of all, fuck Israel, it’s a disgusting, genocidal, colonialist state. But with that said, unironically, your message comes across as quite anti-semitic, because you went to some deliberate effort to write “Israeli Jew”. Why? There are loads of jews in Israel who are our allies in opposing the Israeli state’s genocide.

Israel is genocidal and is itself anti-semitic. Conflating Israel with judaism is anti-semitic, and more than anyone else, we should all know better than to do this right-wing dog whistle shit.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 0 points 30 minutes ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago)
  1. The term Israeli Jew is used by the Israeli government. Because there are more than 2 million Israeli Arabs who live as third class citizens. Though they prefer to identify as Palestinians their legal status is distinct from other Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank who are stateless and live under a military occupation or under siege.
  2. Israeli polls show the majority of Israeli Jews support the genocide. In the US I think the support was 60% for the genocide among US Jews. This doesn’t deny that we have Jewish allies but they are clearly less than half the global Jewish population.
  3. I agree we shouldn’t conflate any nation state with a religion. Zionism itself started among Christians who wanted to bring back Jesus. Zionism then evolved to become a way for Europe to get rid of its Jews and colonize the Middle East.
[–] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Turning up the controversy to 11: there is a double standard in people blaming other religions for everything but not allowing criticism of Judaism. Even on Lemmy people will gladly insult Islam and Christianity but criticism of Judaism is a taboo.

This is a good recent video pointing out how far the double standard goes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taIyXzFx2oo

I do agree that there is no real benefit to using the term Judaism for Israel. Zionism has created their own subsect which is a nation-state movement rather than a religion.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

You know what really, really, really sucks?

All of this. Take the titles and names of the religions away. Make up new words. Call them all whatever you want to and you know what they all have in common?

Their humanity.

Any of us would be animals under the right circumstances. All of history says exactly that.

I wish we could find a way to do away with all of it.

Even then though, atheist states have committed mass murder. It isn’t just religion, it’s humanity. Isn’t that sad?

If we erased all of our history tomorrow and gave humans a damn Nintendo and a handful of cartridges, we’d be killing each other over Mario bros in 100 years.

I really wish I was just sitting in a dirty house in West Virginia, breathing exclusively from my mouth, saliva dripping at my feet. I wish I didn’t see humanity for what it is.

What really, really sucks is that we could drop this crap and get along if we were truly intelligent. We aren’t. We’re herds of bloodthirsty animals making things up so we can FEEL like we have meaning.

Oh well.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

That’s interesting, I wonder if there’s some historical precedent that may make people slightly more concerned about anti-semitism rather than anti-christian sentiment.

Fuck all religions, criticise Judaism all you want. But if you start talking about jews (or Christians or Muslims) as if they’re some sort of monolithic group, you’re being an asshole.

Edit: Holy shit, I watched the first 10 seconds of that video and the guest said “Jewish supremacy is the biggest threat to the world today”, which is one of the most overt, outrageously anti-semitic statements I’ve heard in the 21st century. Whoever that guy is, he should not be allowed on TV or YouTube, holy fuck.

[–] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Okay now continue watching the rest of the video and do keep that outrage you had about Judaism in the back of your mind.

See if you have that same outrage when guests on Piers say similar things about other religions as the presenter shows examples of.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 hours ago

There’s no way I’m watching any more of that absolutely disgusting bile. I hate Piers Morgan, he’s a horrible, racist, piece of shit. I’m just as outraged about people being islamophobic. People being islamophobic doesn’t mean that we should accept anti-semitism, what kind of backwards argument is this?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 4 hours ago

I wonder if there’s some historical precedent that may make people slightly more concerned about anti-semitism rather than anti-christian sentiment.

Yes, genocide only happened to the jews, no other group has ever suffered either...

The entire WW2 history is not being used to excuse genocide conducted by Israeli jews.

People are dying but you are buthurt because criminals being named lol

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 4 hours ago

Yeah i never get this clown responses when i shit on islam and catholic church being pedophiles... but god forbid country of war criminals get closed for what they are.

Are we supposed to ignore that that this genocide is ethnic/religious flavour to it?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

your message comes across as quite anti-semitic, because you went to some deliberate effort to write “Israeli Jew”. Why?

It's a self-identified religious apartheid state. You say it for the same reason you'd talk about Irish Catholics versus Irish Protestants, or Hinduvistas, or Radical Islamic Terrorists.

The Arabs aren't the ones bombing Gaza, blockading the ports to induce a famine, and systematically raping captives.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

genocide is being perpetrated by Israeli jews and israeli propaganda network comes down to any criticism of genocide as antisemitism.

i am mocking this clown set up...

wtf is u talking about again?

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Why can’t you just say “genocide is being perpetuated by Israel”, why do you have to make it about jews?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

because that is a more specific factually correct description of who is committing the genocide.

i doubt Israeli Arabs or muslims are doing much of anything to help here but who who bootlickers are everywhere. but all of the top brass are israeli jews, people in IDF are israeli jews gloating on social media about it. are these people are above being criticized? There is a huge religious/ethnic angle to this whole crime.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

totally false, it is the state itself that is conducting the genocide. this is like saying that americans are responsible for the genocide because they voted for trump or harris

[–] in4aPenny@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

americans are responsible for the genocide because they voted for trump or harris

Well, aren't they? If a whole populace democratically votes for genocidal maniacs, isn't that at least a little bit their fault? If Americans really didn't want a genocidal leader, surely they wouldn't go out of their way to vote one in?

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

No, not really, because the US elections aren’t free. More americans didn’t vote for them than did vote for them. So by your own metric, they didn’t go out of their way to vote for genocide

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

US elections are free.

They are however not compulsory and the majority decided to stay home.

Now we get to enjoy the freedom that abstaining from voting provides.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If they’re free, why did you vote for a candidate who supports genocide?

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Does Elmo support genocide?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

A disgusting apologist spotted...

German's dindu nuffin, mate 🤡

There is no state without people nor is there the IDF.

Without having support from the core population and bunch of willing participants in IDF, this would not be happening. Israeli jews support this with enough force for the state to be able to execute it.

Also, yeah US is about as guilt in here too since Israel will never be able to do this without US political cover and logistical/materiel support.

US jews along fundamentalist Christians are pushing this genocide too...