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This community does not affirm practiced LGBTQ+ lifestyles

Rule 8 of this community is in clear breach of the first goal from the lemmy/mastodon.world code of conduct

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[–] kabe@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (30 children)

To play devil's advocate (pun not intended), this community poses an interesting quandary.

When seen in context, their rules do clearly prohibit any hate speech against the LGBTQ+ community:

Rule #5: Remember that we are all fellow image-bearers. We may disagree with people, but we are never to tear down another person’s inherent dignity and value as someone made in the image of God (Imago Dei). This includes those in the LGBTQ+ community. They need Jesus, too, just like we do, and we can’t say we represent Him while we tear down the works of His hands.

Rule #6: Banned subjects include ... Anything calling for direct/indirect violence against any individual or group, including LGBTQ+ individuals or groups; ...

Rule #8: This community does not affirm practiced LGBTQ+ lifestyles, with the exception of the ace/aroace (asexual/aromatic-asexual) lifestyle in certain contexts. However, abuse towards members of the LGBTQ+ community will not be tolerated. Pro-LGBTQ+ content is not allowed; however, sincere questions and discourse about LGTBQ+issues are permitted.

I'd be interested to see the admin's ruling in this case.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago

That's the ol' "hate the sin love the sinner" shtick. It tries to separate homosexuality (the "sin") from homosexuals (the "sinner"). If only they could stop sinning (stop being gay) they would of course be welcome!

Its not just excluding them from church/christian communities, its the theological basis for conversion camps and the like.

[–] yowhat@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Mmm aromatic asexual

[–] lemmyphantom@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for posting their rules. Very helpful and informative

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just here to find out what flavour an aromatic-asexual is

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[–] antik@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Calm down people. It is deleted.

Edit: they can repeal this decision. If they remove that line from their rules and live by it we are up to having normal conversations even if we don't agree with the viewpoints.

But our stance on LGBQT is clearly laid out in the instance rules. We want to provide an inclusive platform. There are enough LGBTQ people who are christians.

[–] V4uban@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes I think you guys are really managing dumpsters on fire

[–] TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Such is internet janitor duty. Doesn't help they're both janitors, tech support, and management, I imagine it's quite the handful.

[–] antik@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Writing this from my car before going into an appointment with customers πŸ˜…

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[–] crowsby@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think we can tag in the Paradox of Tolerance with a side of Nazi Bar on this one.

This type of "they're intolerant, but polite" shit needs to get nipped in the bud because it metastasizes quickly, and sends out a batsignal to other intolerant groups that this will make a fine home base so long as they hide their power levels.

[–] starlinguk@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Intolerant but polite is a great description of sea lioning.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

This type of β€œthey’re intolerant, but polite” shit needs to get nipped in the bud because it metastasizes quickly

Not only that, if there's a rule about politeness but intolerant people are welcome, the politeness rule becomes a "don't sass the nazis" rule.

[–] Geert@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Hating on LGBTQ like Jesus would have wanted πŸ™πŸ«Ά

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[–] TiredCapybara@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Being LGBT is not a lifestyle... omg

[–] rist097@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Did you read the whole rule list? It seems that you intentionally cropped that part out of context.

Its not nice to target communities by making this kind of posts and invite brigadeering on them just because you disagree with them.

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[–] FizzlePopBerryTwist@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That in itself is overstepping what Christianity is about. At the core, you only need to believe a few things:

  1. Jesus is God

  2. God is Triune

  3. Baptism unites us as Christians

Everything else varies from one denomination to another. Also, if you're going to put any restriction on c/christians are you also going to going to apply this equally to other communities of similar faiths like c/jews c/muslims? The belief systems are very connected to the Old Testament teachings, where most of the discussion on this topic stems from in theological terms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_affirming_LGBT_people

At the heart of Christian teaching is love. Following a personal conviction of self-applied beliefs because you think God's vocations are more important than your brain chemistry is just that: Personal. It should never spill over to anyone unwilling to follow such a path, especially in a way that is hateful. I think as long as participants understand that line in the sand is a line in stone and it is carefully moderated, then it should be fine. There's literally millions of other topics that could be discussed.

[–] CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !christians@lemmy.world

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