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Per anti-vax conspiracy theorist RFK, Jr., Trump promised him control of our public Health agencies in deal for him to drop out and endorse Trump.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago

what the honey buttered fuck is wrong with these people?

[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Can't just have their voters dying next go round

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 103 points 4 days ago (3 children)

1.2 million dead Americans was a warm up?

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fascism: "you aight seen nothing yet"

People forget that up to 100 million died because of fascism; most were civilians just living their lives and trying not to die... That would be the equivalent of 300-400 million with today's population.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And let's not forget that nothing was made better by fascism for nobody but the richest people. It's always been this way.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There’s such a disconnect with the raw chaos and statistics of life born of the same impulse that makes people make statements like: everything happens for a reason. Because they desperately want reason to be behind everything that happens, including their kid’s autism.

Life functions contrary to such wishes, chaos and statistics feature prominently instead. Random, shitty things will happen. Living healthy, the statistics of some kind of cancer is still ~30% at baseline. Birth anomalies happen. And, statistically, vaccines save lives from hardship and illness, and just save lives.

The more plausible study on autism suggests waiting to have kids is a factor. Our eggs are produced while still in the womb. Meiosis starts before birth and doesn’t complete until after fertilization. There’s room for corruption there that only goes up over time. It’s why we’re at higher risk of problems with births after 35, including Downs. Live your life as you will, this isn’t some veiled trad wife promotion or some other bs, it’s just a piece of the science on egg health over time. Studies also demonstrate men’s age impacts autism risk as well. Old sperm or old eggs, both increase autism risk. All of that said, it’s important to know there’s no 1 single cause of autism. Again, chaos and statistics, not a neat and tidy fix by removing 1 thing from your lives.

[–] Tower@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago

Also remember (as you clearly wrote many times) that we're talking increased risk, not causation. We were 24 and 27 when my autistic daughter was born. Sometimes you just get dealt a rough hand.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

These deaths ARE happening for a reason, and that reason is the Republican party and the billionaires funding it.

1.4 million is the last number the CDC published before they stopped tracking it.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Iron Lung futures through the roof!!

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I didn’t notice that was a mirror at first. Was like: are there two people in that thing?

Then I was like whytf you want to stare at your own face all day? Then I realized this would let you see who is standing there talking to you. Thanks for attending my TED talk.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

As a lot of people discovered over the pandemic, staring at their own face is the only thing they want, I've seen a lot of people pinning their own camera in zoom to have their own face full screen the whole time

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If they are a death cult, and want to die so bad, why don't they... You know... Do that?

A lot of them already did. By some calculations, enough of them died to COVID to swing the 2020 election.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They are a type of death cult, they just aren't the ones they want dead. It's "us." :/

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No I get that. But all these policies impact the death cult too, and I don't know if they're unaware of it, or they're all like 'eh, worth it.'

And if they're like 'eh, worth it' then why the crap do they need these policies when they can lower the population amongst themselves? I would be willing to bet that we could even criminalize something like planning mass death by unconventional means, and maybe even make it a crime punishable by death to make sure their death cult includes enough death.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think a very very large portion of them are antivax, they see it as not only unnecessary, but harmful. Tie that into the corporate mandates to get vaccinated which they viewed as oppressive and this is just exactly the kind of stuff they'd love to see. I don't think death is a thought at all in regards to this, if anything they consider it a safety measure.

I'm sure there's not an insignificant portion of them also thinking "anything that triggers a liberal is great in my book!"

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Your last point is the most obvious one, but the most confusing.

Progressives debate everything, and in their mind anything that is arguable and debating equals arguing, so everything can actually trigger a progressive. All they really have to say is "some people are better than others because we say so."

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Some excerpts:

The co-chair of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s transition team promoted the debunked theory that vaccines cause autism in a CNN interview Wednesday. He also said Trump ally Robert F. Kennedy Jr., hopes to get “data” through a Trump administration to have vaccines pulled “off the market.”

Kennedy told supporters earlier this week that Trump had promised to give him “control” over key public health agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“The key that I think I’m — you know, that President Trump has promised me is — is control of the public health agencies,” Kennedy said in a livestream, video of which CNN obtained. He cited the Department of Health and Human Services, the Food and Drug Administration and the National Institutes of Health, among others."

[–] lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Even the normal stuff they say isn't normal. No CEO comes into a company and is like "hey, I heard I was promised to have total control of this company!" They say "I'm hoping to be effective leader and hope together we can, blah, blah, blah"

No sane person comes into a position like that and says the quiet part out loud "day 1, I was promised total control of public health agencies!"

Very weird indeed.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There an Ezra Klein interview with Maggie Haberman, who has followed trump closely from the start in which she says leading the American people is not what he’s interested in. The constitution and rule of law is not what he’s interested in. It’s power. He’s not keen to dive into those other two things.

He’s also way more erratic and impulsive since getting shot at.

[–] lemmy_user_838586@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Lol yah, its clear they all want to be dictators, ya know who says, "I was promised total control?" Dictators.

I was just leaning into the 'weird' framing, since they seem to fucking hate it.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Also, have we talked yet about how RFK appears to have nearly - if not fully - admitted to illegal corruption?

Sorry to link to a PDF, but see p.8 of this government summary of corruption law: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44447/9

While supporting a candidate is not illegal, and nor is offering financially valuable support if within limits or through a super PAC, providing value in exchange for a government position - quid pro quo - is illegal. RFK's exchange of value is not merely supporting Trump, but actively trying to remove himself from the ballot in swing states to materially alter the election. Not illegal except it appears RFK has just admitted he was promised a position in Trump's administration.

So how do we know it's quid pro quo? We know leaks before RFK's endorsement were that he was shopping himself to the Harris and Trump campaigns. He didn't explicitly say "in exchange for," but it's almost certain that's what happened, and that there are witnesses to it who could testify or be subpoenaed.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That’s what Trump publicly promised Musk, a position. So if it’s really illegal no one is doing shit about it.

That's an excellent point, and since we know Musk has spent over $100 million so far trying to get Trump elected, it's a lot easier case to make (if there really was a quid pro quo promise made).

[–] g0nz0li0@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Yeah but these guys are above the law, so it won't matter.

[–] skvlp@lemm.ee 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It is surreal, in a bad way, to watch as the US might actually vote to put itself in mortal danger.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, not just itself. Pandemics don't respect borders.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 16 points 4 days ago

Same goes for fascism...

[–] skvlp@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

It’s a good thing then that Donald and his cronies handled the last pandemic so well /s

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 4 days ago

Sure, but ThE iMmIGrAnTs!!! ThE tRaNsGeNdEr!!! THE WOKE!!!!

Uggghhh...I hate people.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Wait, wouldn't Freedom-loving Republicans ban mandatory vaccines but still allow them because Freedom?

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

the “freedom” they love so much is the “freedom” to tell other people what to do

[–] graycube@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

The party of small government and freedom.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I also think we should yank vaccines off the market. They should be free, why are we selling them?

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"on the market" means available to us, regardless of whether we would have to pay for them or not. They don't want us to have access to vaccines at all. This is not a joke.

Oh I know what he meant.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

wanna bet this guy doesn't believe in soap?

or that soap is the devil?

[–] dessimbelackis@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Why wouldn't you take health advice from this guy? I mean, apart from the fact that he has already caused disease outbreaks to kill many people?

[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Goddammit....i just gets worse and worse!

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Ya I am sure it would be one hell of a shit show.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

These people are deliberately trying to harm the country so that Russia can win the century.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Meanwhile China is laughing its ass off because its century has already begun. If Russia loses, China wins. If the US loses, China also wins.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

More efficient than death camps! Let the viruses do their work for them.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 days ago

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