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Openly defending one’s decision not to have children will be prosecuted in Russia. The State Duma, the lower house of the Russian parliament, is preparing a bill under which authorities will impose fines of up to €50,000 ($55,580) for supporting “the refusal to have children.” The measure affects all areas of life — from casual conversation to films and books — and is a serious threat to the Russian feminist movement.

The crackdown on what the Kremlin calls the “childfree” movement will result in fines of up to 400,000 rubles for individuals (around $4,300), 800,000 rubles for civil servants ($8,600), and up to five million rubles ($55,580) for companies or other legal entities. Foreigners will also be deported.

There are thousands of reasons why a person may decide not to have children, but the Cabinet of ministers has asked the State Duma to make only three exceptions to the law: religious reasons, medical reasons or in the case of rape. It also alleges that there is a mass-organized childfree movement, even though the websites on this subject are little more than a curiosity; Russian newspapers cite the existence of groups on VKontakte, the Russian Facebook, which barely have 5,000 members.

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"So what's it like living in Russia?" "Oh, I can't complain."

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 hours ago

Putin caused a population catastrophe and now is trying hard to fix it lmao

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 day ago

I see where JD Vance gets it from

[–] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's like the US and Russia's new competition is who can be more authoritarian.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago

Cold War 2: the electric boogaloo

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

- "Do you want kids?"

- "No"

* Gets fined *

It's basically making consent illegal.

[–] hakase@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can't wait to hear the tankie apologetics for this one.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 13 hours ago

"umm akcshually this is a good thing because the US is bad and I'm way too dense to understand that two countries can be bad at the same time and you're fascist if you disagree with me" How about that?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

"The revolution will need future soldiers to fight the imperialist dogs!"

[–] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yeah, but you put a quarter in their shopping carts guys! What an organized and crime free society guys.

Their subway is super clean guys we can't compete with freedom like that guys.

Guys, Tucker said groceries are cheaper than America, guys. We've been duped into thinking life is OK guys. But also lowering prices in America is also communism guys. Russia has literally the least communist history guys, America is the real Marxist guys.

Trust me guys, American freedom has nothing on Ruzzian freedom guys. All of the benefits with literally 0 drawbacks guys, it's insane how little consequences there are to living in Ruzzia guys.

There's nothing more free than a brutally oppressive police state run by a dictator guys, it's the secret recipe for freedom guys. Trust me bro.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

I noticed how your message addresses guys only.

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Completely unrelated, but your comment reminded me of this old meme that always cracked me up

Reminds me of my ex

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, how long until the Republicans start calling for this in the US?

[–] 0x815@feddit.org 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They have already done that, just read their Project 2025.

[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Wait is something like that actually in Project 2025?

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago

I wouldn't be suprised if there was

[–] femtech@midwest.social 3 points 12 hours ago

The document also proposes linking federal assistance to family-oriented marriage plans calling out the Biden administration for “subsidizing single-motherhood, disincentivizing work, and penalizing marriage.”

Under its family first agenda, federal aid should be used for “policies with those encouraging marriage, work, motherhood, fatherhood, and nuclear families.” https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/2024-election/how-project-2025-could-affect-women/

[–] innermeerkat@jlai.lu 20 points 1 day ago

We need more meat to the grind machine

[–] Mistic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Some important info that is missing:

  1. Proposed legislation is far from being an actual law. It has only once passed the committee (1st stage out of 5), after which got sent to be re-written. Now it's at pre-1st stage.

  2. So far, it has received 2 negative reviews from the administration. First one, from 2022, said it's redundant, and second one, from 2023 that it's... still just as redundant as it was.

  3. 2 out of 3 authors have removed their signatures since the first negative review.

Basically, there's little to no chance this would ever pass. Our "crazy printer" may be insane, but it only does so if there is an ass to lick.

I could even link everything if anybody wants me to. Doubt it won't get removed, but still.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is there any comment in Russia that won't get you fined or out of the nearest window?

[–] AtomicHotSauce@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“I want to have Putin’s babies indefinitely.”

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

Not specific enough - straight to gulag via Siberia

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

“I want to have Putin’s babies for as long as he wants me to have his babies.”

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago

Believe it or not this comment sends you straight to gulag

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago

"You WILL provide meat for the grinder!"

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 24 points 14 hours ago

Wow, the new superpower race is on to see who can implement The Handmaid's Tale first.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Listen, verbally defending your actions from criticism is just a western plot to sully the great minds in Russia..

You're all just paranoid westoids who are too propagandized to understand how this is a good thing."

-Every tankie reading this article before hearing their own idiotic thoughts and going back to hexbear to have an ego-masturbating championship while being too ignorant to seize the means of their own betterment.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

More meat for the grinder.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 13 hours ago

Gotta keep the blood factory running.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

religious reasons

I've just remembered. We're all Shakers.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

They put themselves in this position (the government), so I'm not surprised at this... in a convoluted way it is a necessary evil to combat the evil that brought this reality upon themselves.

Thank fuck we dont live in Russia.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Childless couples and single bachelors finally united by one powerful force!....still childless? Okay so basically two guys and a fertile woman united by another guy! Finally the family we all need! Oh. She's already 52? Well, keep trying. That's the spirit!

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Gross weirdos, too fragile to even have a conversation without making rational arguments illegal.