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My dad uses Google Maps, and he mentioned that it seems to be getting worse. Like, giving him directions that are obviously worse than alternatives. Has anyone else here experienced this?

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[โ€“] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Google consistently routes people to make a right turn across an unsignalised dual carriageway near me. (Australia, we drive on the left).

This right turn is so prone to crashes that every single weekday morning and afternoon there will be multiple tow trucks just waiting for a crash.

To avoid this intersection and turn right on to the dual carriageway at a location with traffic lights is only a matter of driving less than 1km in either direction on a parallel side street. Yet Google tells people to go past the traffic lights to make this turn. Idiocy.

[โ€“] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 1 points 21 hours ago

to be fair, thats much more a failure of road infrastructure than it is of google, even if it could have done better.

[โ€“] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Yes. I know this is like.. Cliche but I do want to say that I've heard of, and downloaded a new map app called Organic Maps(Play Store). BUT I haven't used it for navigation yet.

About two days after I found it, play store deleted it but I can link it, so it must be back up. If you just open it, it looks beautiful and immediately you notice that stores are not paying money to be prioritized. You can see ALL the businesses equally and I love it.

[โ€“] bitwolf@lemmy.one 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's great with navi, its also great at finding businesses, even offline.

Organic has saved my tail a few times in state parks where I didn't have cell service. I tell everyone I know to install it just in case of emergency.

It can be more up to date, or out of date depending on the area. I pair it with Street Complete, which makes it easy to update info, or notifies you information you could provide.

[โ€“] Avaq@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I love Organic Maps. I used it quite a lot for navigation across Europe and here's my list of findings in order from good to bad

  • The maps are visually much clearer than Google Maps
  • Businesses are all visible like you said, and so are street names, etc. I don't know what Google did, but often zooming on something won't get you the labels. With Organic Maps it just works. On the other hand, businesses are often missing or outdated. Google's database is way more current and complete.
  • Walking paths, benches, bins, etc. are usually better mapped-out (because it's built on OpenStreetMap). On the flipside, this community-driven approach leaves some roads outdated and occasionally it'll cause you having to back-track, or ending up on dirt roads. I have fun in those moments though. :)
  • Its navigation includes instructions for important Y-junctions in highways where Google Maps just assumes you'll take the correct lane. On the flipside it'll often tell you to "go straight" even though there seem to be no other options.
  • Generally when navigating, a Google Maps blunder tends to be way more annoying than an Organic Maps blunder.
  • It works without an internet connection by asking you to download the maps along your route up front. This can also be a hassle when you just want a quick result.
  • Sometimes the position-tracking experiences a delay, which can cause you to miss your turns. This is annoying and I hope it will be fixed.
  • Computing a route can take a few minutes depending on the distance and complexity of roads.
  • It uses way more battery than Google Maps.

Now, if it wasn't for this last point, I'd use it over Google Maps every time. But the battery consumption is so bad that I only use it if I know that I can reliably charge my phone throughout the trip.

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[โ€“] saigot@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Do you see a leaf next to the directions, that means it's taking the most fuel efficient route not the fastest, it's the default I believe. I don't think it's very effective.

Gmaps is still definitely getting worse over time regardless.

[โ€“] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Personally, Iโ€™ve been seeing way more markers when you zoom in for bigger businesses meaning they are probably going heavy on pay to show.

[โ€“] MuffinHeeler@aussie.zone 8 points 2 days ago

Not to mention my saved places aren't permanent markers in the map. I'll zoom in, still can't see it. Search for it, oh look, there it is, right where I was zoomed in

[โ€“] Bongles@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yep, one shape is paid for, the other shape is not (I forget, circles or squares), and to actually see the non paying businesses you have to zoom way in now.

They say it doesn't affect search

[โ€“] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't use gmap for navigation but to check locations. I had to get some cash so looked up atm and found few nearby. When I went there it was just apartments so looked up another one which turned out to just homes and small shops. Ended up getting off and asked someone working in the shop for directions and got everything I could have wanted.

[โ€“] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 80 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Makes sense. Google has been replacing skilled engineers with tail-eating AI regurgitation engines, which are getting progressively worse as they eat their own shit.

But I've been told those regurgitation engines are about to get really smart and replace all skilled labor.

So maybe it'll be fine.

Or maybe, as we've already started to see, more and more useful stuff will only be available via the Internet wayback machine, until they kill it.

[โ€“] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When AI gets applied to robot bodies, real world results will be able to trim out bad knowledge. Currently because AI only feeds on internet content, all the AI has to eat is human content and AI content.

AI will drift away from accuracy until it gets embodied at which point it will start to get more accurate.

[โ€“] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Real world experience can help, but what we have now is also too stupid to recognize when it's succeeding or failing. It just greedily gobbles up inputs and feedback indiscriminately.

There's currently no way to know if the necessary advancement, to advance independently of humans, is 2 years and 2000 years away.

Even so, nature tells us that advancement probably isn't coming at all. It's not needed, so long as there are billions of humans available to partner with.

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[โ€“] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, about 2 months ago I noticed it no longer recommending a slightly alternate route on my way to work that lets me bypass a potentially 20-minute red light (bad light timing)

If I turn and do it myself it goes "oh shit you right" and gives me an updated ETA and shows the route, but it WONT show the expected slowdown anymore and WONT even suggest the alternate route

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[โ€“] superkret@feddit.org 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

They switched from giving you the fastest route by default to giving you the one that uses the least gas.
They also now offer alternative routes that take you past businesses which paid money to Google.

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[โ€“] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

In the last six months, yes. It suggests short cuts that can create long delays. Shorter by miles, but often worse in the end.

[โ€“] Mac@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago

I think it seems that way because it's trying to promote alternative routes. whether it's routing around slowdowns, taking a more fuel efficient route, or whatever.

however this could also be due to the user having different expectations for different trips and not changing the settings.

[โ€“] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Just like their search engine, making you scroll down further and potentially not even wanting you to leave their page, maps is trying to send you into the vicinity of more physically so you can go into their store and tell them that you found them along a route suggestion.

I don't think the above is true. At this point I'm just trying to give them ideas on how to enshittify it more.

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[โ€“] Limfjorden@feddit.dk 8 points 3 days ago

In my experience, google maps is really bad at finding parking. OSM-data is just better in this regard

[โ€“] BCsven@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Mine is fine, but somehow my wife's gives her the worst possible routes that are counter intuitive. We checked all settings about avoiding / not avoiding tolls, ferries, etc. She just some gets crap directions.

[โ€“] AdNecrias 1 points 2 days ago

I've had mine tell me to drive along a rail line

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[โ€“] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I'd say yes. Earlier this week, it navigated me, and I assume a metric ton of people through road construction. Took me over an hour to get to My destination. There's no chance that was actually the fastest route. 0 chance road construction and stalled cars was faster than literally anything else

[โ€“] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yes. It's hard to make out the map with all the pinned ads sometimes, and I've had multiple times this year where it has taken me to the wrong place. Every time that happens, I boot up Organic Maps and get right to my destination.

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[โ€“] Drusas@fedia.io 4 points 3 days ago

Absolutely. Not only does it show ads now, it's so busy that it's distracting and hard to keep track of your route.

[โ€“] sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've been getting weird walking instructions. Like 6 min walk is +30 to avoid some invisible barrier.

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[โ€“] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

I use google maps every day. Wouldn't say it's been getting worse.

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