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[–] tal@lemmy.today 77 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that the US government should offer secure IT services to campaigns, because this is a problem for the country, not just the people involved.

Like, a campaign alone probably cannot counter nation-state intelligence agencies acting against them.

And the problem is larger than just "a country might try to undermine someone's campaign".

Having damning material to blackmail a President would be a problem, even if the material comes from activity prior to time as a President. We do not want that.

EDIT: l'd also add that this isn't just a problem for the US. Leaders in general, but particularly leaders of democracies, where popularity determines who holds power, face that as a risk factor.

It's not an entirely new problem in the Internet era, but I think that the problems are tremendously exacerbated by having a lot of sensitive information living on very complicated machines connected to a globally-accessible network.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Having damning material to blackmail a President would be a problem, even if the material comes from activity prior to time as a President. We do not want that.

The only problem with the damning material prior or not, is that it happened in the first place.

If a future president has something so damning they could use it for blackmail, we should all know and be thankful it was bought to public light.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Setting aside the general problems with being able to split the interests of a leader away from that of the country he leads, blackmail doesn't entail simply releasing information, but rather agreeing to refrain from doing so in exchange for some action that would not otherwise have been taken. Say a President agrees to do something against the interests of the public in exchange for the non-disclosure of information.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 3 days ago

More reason to push to disclose as much information as possible, not give state protection to hide it.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

Yes, this is a small part of why so-called "representative" democracy is a joke. It depends entirely on people who are completely controllable.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Having damning material to blackmail a President would be a problem, even if the material comes from activity prior to time as a President. We do not want that.

Yes, I do not want a president. The fact that they can all be blackmailed is just one reason among countless.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The government buys IT services from the same companies that everyone else does: Google, Microsoft and Amazon. They all offer special government offerings with stricter security.

I guarantee Trump is getting hacked because he and his team refuse to listen to IT and won't let them turn on basic security features because they're a slight inconvenience.

[–] tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm of the opinion that the alleged billionaire with his own cryptocurrency and publicly traded tech company should be able to afford a security guy.

Why not just hire cyber ninjas?

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 24 points 4 days ago

to be fair, though politicians are usually rich, we dont want a system wherein they have to be rich, or where compromising information on a high level politician gets to a hostile power just because while said politician was running they were a cheapskate about who they hired for security

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Why not just hire cyber ninjas?

Because they require payment upfront lmao

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

US government should offer secure IT services to campaigns

They already do. Part of the problem is that the candidates themselves don't want to comply, for fear of someone in the secret service leaking.

This goes back to Clinton sneaking around behind the back of his detail to get head and Cheney maintaining a secret vault of physical files to skirt rules on disclosure.

Having damning material to blackmail a President would be a problem

J. Edger Hoover would consider it extremely useful, particularly if he needed to tighten the leash.

Depending on who you believe, your bosses having Compromat on you is practically a prerequisite for climbing the ladder.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can have the best cybersecurity team in the world and they still wouldn't be able to do anything about a dementia patient this stupid. His passwords are dumb shit like "MAGA2020" maybe with an exclamation mark.

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

cybersecurity is only as strong as its weakest link. I don't expect him to follow anything that he is recommended to do by experts for something as complicated as computers, lol

[–] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

They tried to give him a government iPhone and he refused. He kept using his insecure device instead.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

This is not about the need for government support, this case is solely a case of gross incompetence in IT.

If one gets hacked, one makes dead sure that the hole where the attacker entered and all the holes the attacker created afterwards are thoroughly taken care of.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Might be able to do that by extending the responsibilities of the secret service for such things. Or having the NSA on top of that shit.

[–] PenisDuckCuck9001@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Well they're really shitty hackers then because they've accomplished almost nothing. Don't tell me there's NOTHING of value floating around from the ~3 weeks Trump had that side chick following him around.

The only significant actual cyberattack against the conservative regime so far was that time furries hacked Project 2025.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

They actually offered leaks to US newspapers and they all refused to take it. They didn’t want to be attacked by Trump I guess.

Seems like a tactical error since in 2016 Russia just put up a website and dumped it there as well as giving it to Wikileaks.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Who would have thought that the Trump campaign had shitty IT security?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

His password is probably still MAGA2020

For like. Everything.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

No way. Giuliani is head of Cyber.

[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

"For the last time, Roger, there aren't hot swingers in your area!" Trump campaign IT to Roger Stone, probably.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They're just trying to learn his dance moves.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's disturbing how many gifs of him doing this at different times and places there are...

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What is this dance called? It seems pretty obscene, something raunchy I bet

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The "Jerking Off Two Cocks At the Same Time Rhumba?"

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

The Ol Two-stroke

[–] zell565@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Forgot about Silicon Valley

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Depends on the dick-to-floor metric

[–] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Call it D2F

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

So much for the best cyber

[–] Balthazar@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I hope they can find his emails.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

Why hack it when he opens the doors so politely?

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Password1234 .....We're In!

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They're probably trying to get in and proofread/polish the material. I can't imagine that they wouldn't love a second Trump presidency.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Nah, my understanding from past reading is that Iranian intelligence has generally sought to undermine Trump's campaign.

Remember that Trump knocked off the second-in-command guy in Iran a few years back and is generally more supportive of Israel, which is in active conflict with Hezbollah and Hamas, who are Iranian proxies.

Some stuff in the news about it recently, remember:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iranian-hackers-stolen-trump-campaign-material-biden-campaign/story?id=113826314

Iranian hackers sent 'stolen' Trump campaign material to individuals associated with Biden campaign: FBI

The FBI said there is "no indication" those individuals replied.

Russian intelligence, on the other hand, has been supportive of Trump's campaign.

I think that the real takeaway here is that we seriously need to improve the state of information security on political campaigns. We've had repeated compromises so far. There are a number of countries out there with an interest either in who becomes the next leader of the US or in swiping private material on whichever that might be useful for blackmail purposes down the line. China, for example, might not try to swing the election, but I am confident that Chinese intelligence would be interested in having compromising information on an American president.

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Definitely not. Remember the nuclear deal that Obama got with Iran? The one that lifted sanctions in return for allowing UN inspectors in to ensure compliance? President Convict unilaterally torpedoed it and reinstated sanctions. Iran would love to resume the deal, which may or may not happen with Harris, but absolutely would not happen if President Convict gets into the White House again.

President Convict also had their top general assassinated which did not exactly help diplomatic relations.