Transmission and taxes etc. all combined amount to 6.8c/kWh.
Spot price for actual power price and it's margin is 0.49 c/kWh. Monthly the price has been between 3-7c/kWh on average this year. Most months I've managed to beat the average price. 😎
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15¢/kWh. Makes driving an EV really economical. I did a day trip last week and had to charge at a DC fast charge and it was 56¢/kWh. At that price it would've been cheaper to drive my wife's Traverse. For reference the break even for me at $3/gal is 40¢/kWh (3.5 mi/kWh). eMPG is a joke. The real measurement is miles/dollar.
I rent a car for uber. They recently changed it so all rentals must be electric. I don’t have a way to charge at home, which means I pay 60¢/kWh to charge the car. I get about 200 miles of range for about $20.
Those who charge at home, overnight, get subsidized electricity for charging an EV, so they pay 4.2¢/kWh, or about 7% of what I pay to charge the car.
It pisses me off that this decision, to force all rental uber drivers to use EVs, was probably made by someone who lives in a house and has no idea that people who rent cars to drive uber tend to live in shitty little apartments with no at-home charging.
Not only do I pay through the nose for energy, more than I would pay for gas, I lose 1-2 hours of income per day just twiddling my thumbs in random grocery store parking lots.
And that doesn’t count the time lost driving from station to station looking for an available charger.
Renting a car to drive for uber doesn't sound financially sustainable in the first place
It’s not.
EV driving really shines in local trips, which is the majority of most people's driving. My husband and I have solar panels and a plug in hybrid, so his commute to work every day is essentially free for us (aside from wear and tear). If you're regularly driving long hauls then fully EV doesn't seem to make sense yet, but for every day driving, the trade off of having cheaper daily trips with occasional higher expenses for long hauls probably still nets a lower cost per mile.
When I first got my EV, the DC fast charge rates weren't that high. I was seeing an average around 35 cents/kWh. A near 50% jump in price now has me planning trips in advance not for just charging stops but a cost analysis in case it's cheaper with gas (fuck Illinois electricity rates). The plan is still to get my wife an EV when it's time to replace the Traverse. I hope that DC rates won't be so bad for long trips by then so I don't have to hear about it. She's still unconvinced despite our summer vacation being done with entirely level 2 chargers on the way down and at our destination, then 1 DC charge to get back home.
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Well, California has some of the highest electricity rates in the US. IIRC the exceptions are Hawaii and Alaska.
That being said, last I looked, it was more like $0.21/kWh. Hadn't realized that it had gotten that high.
EDIT: Here's a per-state list for average residential prices for 2024:
https://www.usatoday.com/money/homefront/deregulated-energy/electricity-rates-by-state/
That has California at an average of 29.49 cents/kWh, which is quite high as the US goes, but not nearly as high as yours. It does say that prices went up 11% since last year.
California has had a major problem where billing just happened per kWh, so that people who were using solar (or some other form of local generation) were basically dumping the cost of maintaining the grid connections onto people who weren't doing local generation, since the solar users were purchasing few kWhs. This was very politically controversial, especially since the latter group was generally poorer. IIRC, California is just or will be passing policy changes that will limit that, so the kWh cost from the grid should drop, though people getting most of their power from solar will have a higher overall bill than they had; there's a separate bill item for the grid connection and for the electricity provided over it.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article288420595.html
Not sure when that enters or entered into force. However, it should depress per-kWh charges, though there'll be a fixed charge for the grid connection.
Sounds like PG&E also got the go-ahead to do a bunch of underground lines and rate hikes to get customers to pay for them. I understand that buried lines are more-common in Europe -- you don't have to see power lines, but it costs more to stick 'em underground and maintain 'em, and the US typically keeps 'em aboveground, unless it's a major urban area.
Electricity costs will get even higher for many Bay Area residents after California regulators approved the latest in a series of PG&E rate hikes at a voting meeting on Thursday.
The utility seeks to recover $943.9 million in costs related to wildfire mitigation and damages from power outages during severe storms in recent years. It asked state regulators to approve a temporary rate increase of $5.16 per month for its average customer.
It’s the third such “interim rate relief” request from PG&E within a year, according to California Public Utility Commission documents. In July 2023, regulators allowed PG&E to raise rates temporarily by an average of $10.30 and then again by around $5 a month the following March.
These smaller, temporary rate hikes are in addition to regulators’ approval of a much larger general rate adjustment proposal last year to help PG&E cover the cost of burying thousands of miles of lines underground in the most wildfire-prone parts of the state, as well as other investments.
Ratepayers saw an average increase of about $30 a month on their bills beginning this year because of that.
I don't really care about not having lines visible, though I don't think that people not where underground lines are should be paying for those, that it should be people in an area that want them underground to cover the cost.
It would be interesting, I think, to have a journalist go to some states with wildly-different costs and do a breakdown of why electricity in different states costs different amounts. I think that it's pretty legitimate for someone living in a place with high utility costs to ask for and and get an explicit breakdown showing why their utility provider can't be competitive with one in another state.
It should be noted that burying lines in this case is not for aesthetic reasons, but because trees falling on/growing into above-ground lines is one of the most common causes of wildfires. Putting the lines below the ground is much safer in that respect, but it is much harder to do maintenance on the lines should something go wrong.
Most of these lines are likely in regions where almost nobody lives, but a fire started in those forests can threaten a much larger swathe of customers.
Maintain the underground power lines?
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The problem with by state numbers is rates can vary widely between different regions within larger states like California.
This part is based solely on my own anecdata, but I recall paying LOADS of money per kwh in San Diego, but MUCH lower rates in Los Angeles. SDG&E is a scam company. I'm pretty sure LADWP is a public utility. I'm rambling at this point but good evidence that we should NOT privatize our utilities.
We have two rates, this is if you are using over 10kwh per day, the maximum rate: $0.1372 per kwh
same as you. I wish this state would take responsibility at targeting PGE. especially since they burned down an entire town in 2018. it's honestly the only thing that makes me consider just leaving California for back home.
The rate around here is now down to $0.22/kWh. We were occasionally getting electricity bills around $400/month at worst, but we haven't had an electrical bill since April of this year with our solar panels on the roof now.
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It varies a lot, can be as low as $110 and as much as $170. And that’s just me, a single dude in a small one bedroom apartment. It was half that just a few years ago. So painful.
Around $90 on hot summer months and $40-$50 in winter and about $60 spring and fall. Gas goes from $120 in winter to $15-$20 the rest of the year
It heavily depends on the season. I had a look at the live prices, and currently the price of electricity is about 0.6SEK/kWh.
However, back in 2022-2023 we had electricity prices as high as 2.7SEK/kWh.
Sadly, the EU wants a unified energy grid which will increase the cost of power.
Sweden aslo needs to upgrade the transmission infrastructure between areas
round 175 CAD a month.
My electric bill last month was $14.62. That's with a $64.51 solar credit. But then I pay a $50 lease on the solar panels. I don't understand how my utility charges with tiers so I'll put the details here for people who know better than me:
Tier 1 first 300 kWh at $0.04088 per kWh
Tier 2 next 260 kWh at $0.04643 per kWh
Regulatory Charges 560 kWh at $0.01374 per kWh
Power Supply Adjustment 560 kWh at $0.04598 per kWh
Power Supply Administrative Adjustment 560 kWh at $0.00724 per kWh
I haven't kept close track for a year so I think it's gone up again but my shared bill in Oregon typically was around $250 at I think ~14-15c/kwh. A majority of our power comes from the BPA hydro dams on the Columbia so the cost hasn't quite skyrocketed like other areas, but Pacificorp is still trying to raise rates 20% a year.
(We are rural and also use electricity for pumping water from a domestic well, and irrigate a fairly large lawn as a wildfire break, so that is also our water bill.)
PG&E is just criminal.
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$0.103/kWh plus a daily fee of some small amount. 1,150 sq. ft. apartment with two EVs. $80-100 every two months.
about 32ct/kWh including all costs (Germany)
I have no idea. Electricity, heat and hot water are included in my rent.
Around $400 a month in winter, $100 a month in summer. Australia has the most expensive power in the world
Dynamic pricing contract. Planning when to charge the car, running dishwasher etc is small effort.
Adding 5KW solar panels and a change of contract, from >€500 to something like €75. Family of 4, pretty heavy usage.
Is this exclusive or inclusive of the energy tax? IIRC that's about €0.15/kWh in the Netherlands
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Average 0.16 USD per kwh if I divide the whole bill by the KWH.
Our bill is pretty high but literally everything runs on electricity in the house, the cooking, water heating, A/C, we have clothes washer & dryer, there is no gas line.
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A $400 bill at $0.50 per kwh is 800 kwh. Our electricity usage in the month of August was 787 kwh. I wired an energy meter into my circuit panel a month ago, so I can break that down:
- 210 kwh for EV charging. I don't drive a ton and can also charge at work sometimes. This is 27% of our total
- 130 kwh for AC. We live in SE MI, so it's not hot. We keep our AC set to 75 when it's on. These two combined are now 40% of our bill
- 62 kwh for my work desk (hybrid work) and deep freeze
- 61 kwh for our furnace blower motor. This one surprised me. We were leaving it on the low setting to equalize temperature. On the low speed it pulls 500 watts, or 12 kwh/day. It obviously pulls more power when the AC is on
- 61 kwh for our fridge
- 28 kwh for our washing machine and gas dryer
- now we're in odds and ends territory. 17 kwh for our instant Hot water (tea), 12 kwh for our sump pump and dehumidifier, 11 for our dishwasher, 8 for the TV (old fluorescent)/garage/ps5/modem/route, 7 for the microwave
- another 100 or so that doesn't have a clamp on the breaker
If you don't have an EV and you're really keeping your AC at 84 I strongly suspect you have a failing appliance. Unless you live in Phoenix and have a massive and very poorly insulated house or something.
During covid (I was doing remote work, so basically no EV charging), our old dishwasher finally stopped working with a dryer heater error code. When we replaced it our electric bill fell by a double digit percentage (I want to say 20%+) year over year.
As for things like insulation, going from 3" of 1969 insulation to a massive quantity of blown in helped our winter heating bill (gas) a lot more than our summer AC bill.
Good luck!
Thanks! Phoenix is close to our weather, although this week is not a good example thank God. Its regularly over 110 most days of the summer. I have one of the watt meters + a raspberry pi that monitors our watts in real time and can tell what appliances take up the most power. The vast majority of the bill is the AC. In winter, we sip power. Our gas is actually more then.
I'm currently pulling 218 watts right now (fridge/2 laptops/small server/two pis/2 meshtastic devices/one light/ and a host of zombie power devices) and will pull a little over 3kw when the AC is on. And with the tier based system that PGE has, it means months where you do actually use the ac, they jack up the price at the worst possible times. Its closer to 60c per kilowatt hour before fees. And its going up again this year for the 4rth time...
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Sorry to ask, why're you equalizing temperature?
i feel the AC goes on when it's hot or warm and the blast furnace goes on when it's cold, is there a particular advantage as to why you're doing it this way?
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I live in Washington state, most of my electricity is from hydro or nuclear. My bill is usually about $80 a month, but it can go over $100 in the summer if I’m running the AC a lot.
I’m also PGE and it’s the same, about $0.50 per kWhr. I don’t even have AC, but I’m typically paying $150-$250 per month.
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$0.11 Canadian/kWh, my usage is about 150kWh per person per month, but I don't have summer AC. There's a higher rate beyond a threshold of 675kW/h but that's still under 15 cents. With a zero-use daily charge including municipal levies about 30 cents per day, and some fluctuations based on power sold, imported and other costs (my last bill had like $3 in credits). All in all about CA$25/mo ($18US).
Charged by BCHydro, the provincial power regulator. I've been really shocked at how cheap utilities are overall in BC, I budgeted about 3 times the amount I needed when I first moved.
In Malaysia they break it down into tariff so the more you use, your bill will spike exponentially. The rate are RM0.218/kwh for the first 200kwh, then RM0.334/kwh for 201-300kwh, then RM0.516/kwh for 301-600kwh, then RM0.546/kwh for 601-900kwh, then RM0.571/kwh for 901kwh onward.
in bc we have two tier pricing, the first X kilowatthours per month is I think 0.08CAD (~0.05USD), the second is 0.15CAD (~0.11USD)
Our power mostly comes from hydroelectric dams, but we wheel and deal it interprovincially so within the course of a day we'll spend some time importing and some time exporting which gives us lower rates, and lets other places run more efficiently (ie Fewer gas turbines)
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