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    [–] Holyginz@lemmy.world 103 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Switch to Linux and spend way more time making sure everything is updated and having to jump through hoops installing things.

    [–] Dnn@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    No idea what you mean. I just quickly wanted to update before calling it a night, got a grub update and now it neither boots the default nor the fallback image. I use Arch BTW.

    [–] Little1Lost@open-source.social 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    so everything breaks daily i assume?

    [–] Dnn@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

    More seriously: it really doesn't. This was the first time for me. Fit perfectly here though. Now where did I put that that live USB drive...?

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    [–] somedaysoon@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    That is not a problem on any of the major distros, so I'm not sure what you've been using. Most distros have a GUI package manager that is awesome and you can update with just a few clicks. So what hoops are you jumping through, and how is this such a problem that it's costing you time?

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    [–] copylefty@lemmy.fosshost.com 22 points 1 year ago

    My grandma runs Ubuntu and has gotten by fine without the command line

    [–] Yubishi@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)
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    [–] Mechanismatic@lemmy.ml 93 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Okay, I switched to Linux, now I'm getting this error message: _______."

    "Install ______."

    "It gives me this error now: ______."

    "You have to update the _____ library first."

    "It won't let me."

    "You have to use sudo."

    "It tells me to clone the git via the command line, but git says verifying login from command line isn't supported any more."

    "You're following seven year old instructions."

    "They're the only instructions I can find."

    "You should switch to this other flavor of Linux."

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    [–] RCKLSSBNDN@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I remember I had a date with a girl back in the'10s. We hit it off and got back to her place. Wanted to show her a funny Internet video.

    She brought out an ancient laptop that refused to boot and said her Ex had tried to fix it with Linux.

    I got it pointed at the right dependencies, she fellated me as it updated.

    I think this is my only sexy story that includes Linux.

    Well, I guess there was this one time I loaned a lonely neighbor DOS 6 disks.

    But, that does not include Linux.

    [–] HenrysCat@feddit.uk 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My suspicion is it's not just your sexy Linux story but the only sexy Linux story.

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    [–] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Switch to Linux! Then you can have problems with Linux.

    [–] somedaysoon@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    The problems are different, and you can fix them in Linux. However, if you like dogshit workflows, a lack of customization, no control or the feeling like your OS is in control instead of you, ads in your OS, and telemetry data being sent, then Windows is the far better option.

    [–] gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

    I made the switch to linux that time they had three bad patches in a row and nothing was working. Every issue I have had in an issue in linux I am able to fix myself since nothing is obfuscated. I was using x11 rewritten by some Croatian dude as a proof of concept because it was the only thing that allowed torch to address the video card properly. Run into an issue in windows and find out that neither the manufacturer nor microsoft are supporting your product. Nothing i can do about it. Utterly rage inducing.

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    [–] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 61 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    About the same when you ask for a good GUI replacement for X and someone replies "just use the command line", like cheers for that men, not what I'm asking for.

    [–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    AMEN! I asked recently if there was a good Linux alternative to this program I used in Windows called "Bulk Rename Utility" and i was flooded by people telling me how easy it was to set up a script to do what I want.

    Turns out the best alternative is running BRU in Wine.

    [–] oatscoop@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    There almost always powerful existing utilities that can do what you want in linux.

    But you have to find them and they have a learning curve. Sometimes that "curve" is a cliff.

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    [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    The ones that make me laugh uncontrollably are those Windows disk encryption issues for which the solution is…wait for it… run Linux from a LiveISO, fix the disk with Linux, then reinstall Windows. Because Windows is incapable of fixing its own issues that it itself caused.

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    [–] Rentlar@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    50% of the time the Microsoft forum help solution for any Windows problem is "Have you tried Re-installing Windows?"

    • source, my ass
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    [–] Genrawir@social.fossware.space 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I used to always tell people I use Linux to avoid doing tech support. It was working pretty well for a few years, now my friend just asked me to install it for him. I guess I played myself.

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    [–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (35 children)

    A non-technical end-user once had a problem with Windows. A technical friend said "SWITCH TO LINUX". Now they have thousands of problems.

    I've been a non-stop user of Linux as my primary OS since before Ubuntu was a thing. I do not recommend Linux systems to my non-technical friends.

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    [–] ColPanic@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    No, you don't say "switch to Linux". This is an opportunity to be free from the shackles of being the go-to IT support person! If they say they are having computer problems, ask "Is it Linux? No? Sorry, can't help you"

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    [–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    ngl, the "switch to linux" crowd is close to a vibe of complaining that "my car is making some weird sounds" and the response is to "buy a new car!" I mean, it would solve the problem of not having that issue with windows/your car, but it also means you have to intrusively replace your workflow and probably find some entirely new programs to do what you already could, and potentially have many new, less explicable problems, just to not have that one tiny problem that you could live around.

    [–] Fisk400@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Often it's worse. It like telling people to move to a different country because the roads are better there.

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    [–] atamblingpoder@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

    Well... I jokingly told my friend to switch to Linux - that guy switched and I can attest to it that he is much happier now 😁

    [–] PolarisFx@lemmy.fmhy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I love Linux, but it's my job. When I go home I just want the simplicity of Windows. Thanks to tons of useless certifications it does exactly what I tell it to do.

    When family wants a new OS install I don't suggest Linux or even mention it's existence. They get a version of Windows 10 with the bloat ripped out and the inability to upgrade to Windows 11. 90% of tech support calls have been stopped.

    What friends I have attempted to convert usually go back to Windows due to Nvidia driver issues but as we move forward and gaming becomes less of a hurdle maybe we'll see more converts. Especially if Windows keeps pushing their whole cloud OS thing.

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    [–] Stillhart@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

    Okay, I'll bite. I've been trying Linux every few years for the last few decades and it's never been anywhere close to replacing Windows for me. I'm not a luddite; I was in tech for many years (MCSE certified) but there just... ALWAYS something that doesn't work right. And there's NEVER a simple fix. Linux for me ends up being more of a hobby than a tool and I haven't had the time or patience to deal with it in the past.

    But I'm willing to try again,

    Anyone have any resources to get me pointed in the right direction? Which distro to try, how to install as a dual-boot on an exiting Windows machine without breaking it, how to get Steam/Nvidia drivers/games going, etc?

    EDIT - Apparently trying to dual boot with Windows on a machine with two physical drives is too much to ask (unless you have a CS degree). Maybe next time, Linux.

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    [–] vegantomato@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    There are issues that simply cannot be resolved without switching away from Windows. For example inefficient drivers, old hardware, telemetry and privacy issues in general. I've several times seen how Linux can bring new life to old computers, make the PC cooler, and the fans spin less or not at all under low workloads.

    The primary instances where wouldn't recommend Linux is when the person is:

    • Using DRM-heavy games that (on purpose) refuse to run on Wine/Proton.
    • Using Windows-only proprietary software or drivers.
    • Isn't ready to learn a new system (e.g. an older or disabled person).

    If these issues don't exist, I think Linux can bring benefit to a Windows user. If they are not ready to do a complete switch, they can dual-boot and try it out.

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    [–] Archangelz_93@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I have linux at work. Colleagues use windows. They always tell me to change back to windows when I en ounter problem. I won't install spyware.

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    [–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    Linux will only be the solution when it finally learns to adequately cater to a better class of idiots. Once Linux handles a fool as well as Windows, then we can talk.

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    [–] nyternic@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    As someone who has had been around Linux-based people and whenever I have had a single gripe about Windows - it's this.

    I don't have a hate boner with Linux, I just feel like Linux is a little too much for the average casual user. Everything is fine until they run into a single issue with Linux, if the bewilderment of not having their familiar easy to run programs that they had on Windows wasn't a turn off for them from the get-go.

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    [–] afox@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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    [–] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    [–] Tekchip@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Windows sucks but no one seems to realize this because they're too comfortable with how they fix, or work around, the broken stuff repetitively. The repetitiveness of the bad experience becomes "normal" so nothing is amiss. It being broken is "normal" so in their eyes it "just works"TM. It's almost like a form of brain washing.

    It really is akin to people in domestic abuse situations who are just so numb to it they aren't motivated to get out.

    Maybe we should be taking a book from domestic abuse counseling or something?

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    [–] samsy@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    First time I agree with the Raven. Switch to Linux!!! Windows is just a shitshow, we all watch and can't believe they are doing this. Win 11 will bring us one of the biggest hardware-waste ever in a world where we should spare with resources.

    But hey, throw that 4GB RAM machine in the trash bin everyone wants Win11. So glossy and shiny, so hot right now.

    [–] Digester@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    Do you know what makes windows great? It just works out of the box with broad driver and software compatibility. Extensive hardware support (Windows 10 runs on any brand new hardware as well as old hardware from 12 years ago). Many professional software applications, such as Adobe Creative Cloud, Autodesk products, and Microsoft Office, are primarily developed for Windows. If you rely on specific professional software, Windows offes better compatibility and support.

    Linux offers better security and has a large repository of open source software as well as being very developer friendly. If you're reading this it's thanks to Linux. However switching to Linux isn't a viable option for everyone for the aforementioned points. It surprises me to this day how many smart and tech savvy individuals still can't grasp this concept.

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    [–] Wahots@pawb.social 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Every time I try Linux on my own, it's fine. But God forbid I ever use any device that comes with Linux pre-installed, and I'm cursed. I'm on my third steam deck after it software bricked itself, and our university Linux server is so unstable that it disconnects my session with vim every 30 minutes or so. Pain. At least there's a method to the madness: trust nobody but myself :P

    [–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Have you tried using Mosh? It's the "Mobile Shell" which was built to survive the dodgey connections of WiFi, mobile/cell and long distance SSH connections. Well worth a look if you're having problems with a disconnecting shell.

    It's available on all versions of Linux, iOS, Mac and Android.

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    [–] ojmcelderry@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Screen and tmux are your friends in this situation. They can keep your vim session alive when your SSH connection drops, so you can reconnect and continue where you left off.

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    [–] ShadedCosmos@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Bird 1: I have some trouble with Linux.

    Bird 2: Whistles and flies off…

    [–] psycrow@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    No, bird 2 then screams at bird 1 for using Ubuntu and recommends distro that will totally work and is totally easy to use despite the lack of documentation. It's then bird 1's fault if they can't get their niche hipster distro to work.

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    [–] astral_avocado@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago

    Unfortunately I've definitely been the raven at least once.

    [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

    Of course I know him, that's me!

    [–] jeansibelius@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    After I installed Linux on all my family laptops all OS problems was "surprisingly" desapeared.

    [–] lauha@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Because they don't work or because they don't know how to use them anymore? ;)

    [–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No one's opened their laptop in months, not a single issue to fix, that's what we call problem solving!

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    [–] christian@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not coming completely out of nowhere. The fact that you're having a discussion on Lemmy means the people you're conversing with are aware that you're willing to consider libre alternatives to shitty mainstream tech.

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    [–] Ddhuud@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That used to be me. Now whenever someone ask me to fix their computer I'm like "no hablo windowes"

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