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Last I heard, they're bored and rudders are fun to play with.
We need to give them some orca proof toys.
orca sinks yacht, we need to give them alternatives
Nah, I'm cool with them having the yachts
I'm not. It's only a matter of time before some rich asshole starts shooting at the whales, dropping sticks of dynamite or some equivalent callous and heartless thing. I don't give two shits about the rich fucks, but I am highly concerned about the consequences to the whales. Humans, as a species, have no chill.
You're thinking Bezos yachts, these are $50-200$k boats people use as homes to see the world, not rich people. The word yacht doesn't mean wealth, it's just not a common mode of transportation.
The word yacht doesn’t mean wealth,
Yes, yes it does. It doesn't mean 'billionaire,' but these aren't subsistence fishermen we're talking about here.
It was a $128,000 yacht. If you don't think people who can afford such a yacht are rich, you are one privileged person.
It was a $128,000 yacht. If you don’t think people who can afford such a yacht are rich, you are one privileged person.
You'd be surprised how many people own a $128,000 yacht INSTEAD of a more-than-$128,000 house.
(Of course, there are even more people who live aboard full-time on much-less-than-$128,000 yachts. For example, Sailing Uma probably have a bunch of money now 'cause they're relatively successful Youtubers, but they started out spending only about $10k total (purchase + initial refit costs) for their 50-year-old, 36-foot boat. There's an entire subculture of people doing basically nautical #vanlife, and they aren't any richer than the homeless-by-conventional-standards people doing it on land.)
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TBH might have been a bunch of middle class retirees who sold the family home up in England for like 800k, bought something smaller for two to live in in Spain, and a small sailing boat. I don't think about those people as "rich".
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You’re literally attacking middle class people for having a small yacht.
Your concept of wealthy is really skewed.
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Well, a yacht is just a class of vessel. I think a lot of people are confusing them with LUXURY yachts which are way too big to be sunk by orchas.
Here's one for sale, $59,000. I could actually buy this, I mean, yeah, it's from freakin' 1984... but still.
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I like the advice is basically
- Try to avoid them
- Try not to die
- Maybe try to take a photo for us while being attacked, we think they are neat
Well the pics are for identifying individuals. The science folk are trying to create a catalog and with that which pods (family groups) are involved, which aren't, and if there are groups who aren't involved, do they become involved in the future due to being taught/learning the behavior.
Also because they are pretty neat.
Just wait until Orcas get opposable flippers.
Yes Mr Sha, last name Moo, could you please sign on the dotted line? Next time you should think twice about swimming drunk.
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I, for one, welcome our new orca overlords!
For context, not everyone who lives on a boat is wealthy. I live on a 'yacht', a 29 foot sailboat. Your walk-in closet is larger, yet because it's privately owned and not commercial it's considered a yacht.
Your hate is misplaced.
A 29’ boat isn’t small, what kind of walk-in closet do you think people have? Your comment makes you seem really out of touch.
29' to live on fulltime 24/7/365 is small as fuck. 8 steps, that's the entirety of my living space.
I'm not out of touch, you just have no understanding of small sailboats. From the front to the back on deck is 12 steps bro.
A quick google suggests a single mast sailboat can be had for around $50K. Which is a lot of money for a hobby. But it's insanely cheap if it's your house.
But how much does it cost to keep it at a marina per year? And repairs and such?
Don't worry not asking to prove you're rich and need to be eaten or whatever. Wanna know how much money I need to be able to say "fuck it" and quit my job and live on a sailboat.
Ok, I'll break it down large, I want to see you out here.
1978 Bayfield 29, $11,800 (2018) cash cash, envelope full of bills. I put about another $10,000 into it since in upgrades. Larger anchors, chain, lines for everything, new standing rigging, upgraded electrical, home built LifePo4 batteries, GPS, AIS-B, LED lights, solar, wind, blah blah blah.
My dingy is a 2015 Riviera 12' fiberglass $1500. My outboard is a 2009 Yamaha 2stroke 15hp $1600.
My rent is approximately ZERO. I pay jack shit to fuck all. I "live on the hook". I have about $1600 in my mooring (3 anchors, 150' G4 3/8 chain, crane swivel, floaty thing, two lines to the boat from the swivel).
If I was going to live here forever I would need to plan on replacing the chain, swivel, and the connectors every 3-5 years, just to be safe ($1500 just to be safe). I'm leaving after hurricane season but because I have a mangrove swamp I can hide in up to a Cat3 storm I'm here until Thanksgiving.
I have 550w of solar, a Honda eu2200i generator, a 400w wind generator, and live off of 400 amp hours of 12v batteries (2x200ah). Home built at less than half the cost of prefabs in 2020. I love them so much.
New sails will be about $4-6K. My sails are 8 years old and I'm fully expecting to get at least 5 more years from them. I've taken good care of them.
My car is a 2002 Toyota Echo that was $1000, I pay $100 a month to park it about a 1000yards from the public dingy dock, which 99% are free in the US. Down island is a whole other thing, lots of places charge.
I don't have Starlink. If dickhole ever sells his interest in it, I'll have it the next day.
You absolutely can do this, but you will need to become radically self-sufficient. I haven't been to a slip or a dock ( other than fuel) in six years. I haul water by hand, I'm my own electrician, mechanic, sanitation worker, plumber, electric company, you name it. And paradise can fucking suck.
I dont have an oven, don't have a toaster, I don't have any heating or air conditioning. I do have some fans. I don't have hot water unless I put a 20 l can in the Sun. Living this lifestyle is as much about sundowners sunset, bikinis and fun as it is about what you're willing to fucking endure.
Marina's will run you from $300 - $3000 a month. They are hot, noisy, you're crammed RIGHT next to others and they are expensive.
If you want to get an idea of actual prices, take .25 up to .5 off the asking prices for pretty much anything under $80k. Search Tempest for Craigslist, search Florida.
If you decide yeah.... I'll absolutely help your effort and happy to answer any more questions you have.
[edit] Maintenance runs between $2-6k a year. If you preventative maintenance the living shit out of everything, you'll spend a lot less a year. I do 90%+ of the work myself. I purposely bought a small boat because small boats are small problems with small bills comparatively speaking. And also when traveling to communities that are less fortunate than most Americans financially at least, it's easier to interact with the locals on a small boat than it is on a large boat because they will accept you much faster than if you show up on a 50-ft plus.
Fascinating! Thanks for the impromptu AMA!
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A 29' boat isn't going to have a 29' liveable area.
First off, a boat narrows so much at the front that a 29' boat is really closer to 25' at best. Then it might be 10 feet wide, so you're looking at about 250 square feet. Most of that is gonna be deck so cut that in half again if you want your living space to be out of the elements.
When you go under the deck you might think there would be plenty of room, but you need to have fuel, engine, generator, bilge, etc.
So in your remaining closet-sized space you need to be able to eat, sleep, cook, use the restroom, store your shit, entertain yourself, etc.
If they actually live on it instead of owning a house, I'd still not consider them part of the rich who should be eaten.
A 29' boat is absolutely tiny to live on. The overwhelming majority is taken up by things the boat needs to be a boat
And the rest of the space taken up by shit that keeps me from dying.
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For more context. This was a Oceanis 393. so about $100k boat. And it was in the Strait of Gibralter. Not the poorest area of the world.
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It’s unfortunate that the orcas can’t tell the difference between rich assholes with yachts, and normal assholes with yachts.
I guess maybe staying out of their tiny part of the ocean while they’re using it is the only thing a person with a yacht can do.
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Because they know that if they kill anyone rich enough to afford a boat that some jackass will kill them back. So they keep it to property damage.
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Answer: because they are fucking based
Nature is healing.
Did they eat the rich? 🤑 Otherwise the plan is going swimmingly.
I think the answer to this question is in their name tbh. Should have named them Panda Whales instead.
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Another article...
https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/orcas-sink-yacht-in-strait-of-gibraltar
This one has useful comments, like...
Rudders certainly look like a fin...best way to disable prey is to maim a fin. The orcas have learned power vessels are of sterner stuff.
I wonder how practical it'd be to have an underwater sound emitter to repel one. The use of sonar gets sometimes criticized for its impact on whales. You'd think that you could take advantage of that.
kagis
Probably not powerful enough. Looks like military sonar pulls down a lot of power:
The first ship I was on used a sonar system from the ‘60s. The system used the maximum amount of power, just short of causing the transducer (an underwater combination speaker and microphone) array to cavitate (boil the water). As you go deeper, it takes more power to cavitate, so submarine sonars were even more powerful (but seldom used, to keep from advertising their location). Our system used 288,000 watts (A powerful home stereo may use 250 watts, so this is like 1000 home stereos all going at the same time!) When the power supply for the amplifiers malfunctioned, it often erupted fireballs across the room (Our Division Officer was so frightened, after seeing one, that he refused to enter the room, or even come down the stairs to the room’s door!). In addition, besides the raw power, the signal can be electronically focused to go in a single direction, much like the powerful spotlights used for advertising (car dealerships, for example). This makes the signal strong enough, that you can bounce it off the bottom of the ocean and detect a submarine more than 40 miles away.
The sound is so loud, that you can hear it IN THE AIR while near a pier, when the ship was over 1,000 feet away (several city blocks). For a nearby diver in the water, it would extremely painful. In Vietnam, the ships in-port would run their sonars 24 hours a day, to keep enemy divers away from the ships.
Inside the ship, you could hear it, no matter where you were below decks, even in noisy places. Most of the crew hated it. Sometimes, we (the sonarmen) would light-off the system, with the most powerful beam pointed at the rest of the ship, at 6:00 AM for Reveille (“Damned %&$ sonarmen! *%#$%^%$!!!”).
I think we should use AI to decifer their language and send them messages saying, "Chill bro! I'm just passing through." We'll probably get a response going something like, "You in the wrong neighborhood boy!"
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These scientists have never heard that "revenge is a dish best served cold".
The article is about orcas, but that video at the top is not an orca and just happened to sink a small fishing boat while it was feeding. Pretty sure that incident was an accident and the whale wasn't trying to sink it, it was just breaching and eating.
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