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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 106 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] Tilgare@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Doesn't feel like they're losing at the moment.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 20 points 3 months ago

It didn't in 1940 either. Didn't take them long after that, though.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

They always lose in the end

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

We haven't started shooting yet

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Looking at how even WWII units were segregated, schools not getting integrated until the '60s, etc. I'm unfortunately not sure they really lost to begin with (which should not be allowed to pass again if there is a next time).

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 63 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Real talk, it's going to be like the troubles or the early days of Nazi Germany, not like people forming battle lines and shit. The only way the latter happens is if states secede; one viable scenario I've considered is California/Pacifica seceding and a subsequent shooting fight over water rights, because of how much water California gets from the Colorado River basin and other water sources outside its borders. But realistically, it's going to be shitty partisan on partisan on innocent bystander violence.

Best advice I've heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends. A small network of people can be far, far, far more resilient in defending protecting themselves than individuals or families can.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Best advice I’ve heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends.

My neighbors are heavy GOP supporters. The single political sign I've ever put in my yard was to support the Pro Reproductive Freedom amendment ballot measure (pro choice amendment, which subsequently passed!). All of my neighbors had signs in their yard opposing it. I had a neighbor that lived a block away stop me while I was mowing my law asking me why I support a law that killed babies and turning kids trans. Nothing in the reproductive freedom amendment language has anything to do with anything trans.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

and turning kids trans.

........I'm so confused by his logic.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 months ago

That's because it's not logic

[–] Meltrax@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

logic

Well, using that word is your first mistake.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Best advice I've heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends. A small network of people can be far, far, far more resilient in defending protecting themselves than individuals or families can.

I read an interview with someone from the war in Bosnia, and he talked about surviving the war. He said big families, in one house, they had an easier war. When shit gets real is when “friends” start to evaporate or turn their back, a lot more than you would think. The single people, or little families off on their own, they mostly didn’t make it.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

It's because that war was about national (racial) and religious identity. Families usually belonged together then.

In Usa it will be a little different. Race would be one aspect, too. But more so your wealth/social status. A struggle between classes. Rich against poor, and many shades in between.

And maybe young against old. Conservativism has gone too far in both (still so-called) parties. "Left" may not be progressive enough anymore.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It would never happen, no one in CA wants to leave the US and figure out how to maintain a national robust military. Also it's really unlikely any US armed forces would break off from the US in significant numbers, so if you want to enforce your new country, you need to navigate a potential war with a military that has bases, weapons development, troops, and equipment in the most strategically advantaged locations. You'd need to silently create a counter army, and have VERY risky attacks at nearly every base all the same time, and capture most of the equipment in the process. If you aren't force marching hundreds of US military people to a secure location, you aren't winning any war, and the only successful way to exit the US is to have a military strong enough to prevent the US from immediately seizing control of the state, or thinking twice about starting a war.

It's infinitly easier to use the existing system to progress the country in the direction you want to go over all.

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[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 62 points 3 months ago

Watch the news and be depressed about it I guess. Also, being glad not to live there.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Head over and shoot fascists. What else is there?

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

This is the only answer if you love America

[–] Tazerface@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 months ago (5 children)
[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I have been in this habit all my life and will continue to do so :)

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm gonna visit this guys house.......for like the next 60 years.

[–] Tazerface@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)
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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Probably just continue to talk shit to Nazis until one of them kills me.

Y'know, a life well lived.

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[–] archonet@lemy.lol 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Starve? Die from lack of medicine/doctors? Get killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

So like, every day that ends in "y" in the US?

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Focus on hit and run, and harassment tactics. Spec into speed and endurance, and use mostly Void Rays, hopefully we can wrap it up in mid game with a decent economy and a mid level apm.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 16 points 3 months ago

Probably get shot by some Y'all Qaeda cosplayer for having a mixed race spouse. Whether this happens before or after my brother gets taken out for being gay is up for debate. I hope my sister is spared because her meathead baby daddy is a right wing useful idiot, but she's an unmarried bisexual mother and that doesn't pass the purity test, no sir.

I kinda feel bad for my mom since she was largely apolitical until a black man had the audacity to get elected president, but there's nothing I can do to stop the parade of leopards once they go face-hunting. Doubly so if I'm dead.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hope it's like the first one and nothing happens in California.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Bad news for you: California is the focal point of many of their current conflicts.

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[–] superminerJG@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

As a Canadian: stay the heck away the border because who knows if they're gonna launch a missile at Niagara Falls, NY and hit Niagara Falls, ON?

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What if there is a nuclear war just as an asteroid hits the earth while the supervolcano erupts during the civil war?

[–] Toes@ani.social 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Modern anime titles are getting wild

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[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Back in the day I was a soldier who could hit a target pretty well. But I'm 50 now and my back barely works for standing up, let alone fighting.

I'm going to be a meat sandbag for people to fight behind.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 8 points 3 months ago

My too, brother. But I can still hit those targets, and I have rifles better suited for sniping, now, and better for getting through body armor. As long as I take out more than once of them before they get me, it's a win.

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[–] norimee@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Take the US example and close all EU borders to american refugees. If you still try, we unfortunately have to put you into detention centers.

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[–] scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

Quite literally move to Canada, I'm a dual citizen.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not talk about what I'd do if a fascist government were to start looking for people like me.

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[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hunker down and see if the neighbors attack. It’s 50/50 around here. I don’t think my neighbors will attack me but who knows! I’ve got enough guns and ammo to defend myself if it’s not a super heavy attack. Idk, in a civil war, does everyone just start fighting? I’d probably be more careful going to the store…

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’d probably be more careful going to the store…

Robert Evans did a podcast on what it might look like to have a civil war happening here. If I remember correctly it wasn't so much that neighbors would randomly attack each other, but the travel was definitely different with lots of checkpoints and stuff like that.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 3 months ago

Watch it unfold on TV News, I expect. And then think about it less and less as it begins just another fucked-up thing happening in the world.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

We have a bug out spot in a very remote area near the border. It’s where we plan on retiring anyway. Stay the hell out of the way of the war I suppose.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm getting older, have few weapons and only paintball experience. So I'm of no use in combat. I'm fairly certain foreign powers would get involved, and I'd be curious to see what they do. Getting accurate news and info is difficult right now. I imagine it would be near impossible during a 2nd civil war.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Third. The war of independence was a civil war too.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Try to survive?

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 4 points 3 months ago

Worry, mostly (as a US citizen living overseas). I doubt my family would want to come over, and I doubt Japan would even issue visas for them to do so (on most SoRs, you can only bring over dependent family who are financially and/or medically dependent upon you. None of my family pass this test).

It really would depend upon what kind of conflict it became. If it involved the armed forces even currently overseas (though I doubt it), presumably, a number of nations would do whatever the hell they felt like if they felt emboldened enough by a preoccupied US. This would be checked in Europe, but I'm less sure about Asia. Then again I'm just a normal dude.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 3 points 3 months ago

Hope that important infrastructure like payment methods and social media end up heading to Europe. Maybe, if I can, let a particular friend from the States seek asylum and live with me.

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