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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 150 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

trump said he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any votes. this all seems like it's going according to plan.

[–] Linsensuppe@feddit.org 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Someone played uno reverse card on him…

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

The boys did this last season. Its complete satire but its like holding a mirror to reality at the moment.

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Seems like he's not the only one who can do this now

[–] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 144 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Biden has the chance to do a big, big funny here.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 101 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

He wont even condemn Israel to improve his ratings. At this point it seems that the democrats are trying to get trump elected.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

What if democracy lost 12 years ago and they just pretended the Dems still existed?

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If he relly believes democracy is at stake there is only one course of action left

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I used the chistofascist supreme court to destroy the chistofascist supreme court.

[–] CheapFrottage@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Middle of the next debate, right in the forehead. Needs a good walk-off one liner to follow it though, that’s probably the biggest obstacle for him

[–] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 85 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Cyberpunk Intensifies.

How long until the President is also the sitting CEO of Raytheon or Blackwater?

[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We could just go with the cowboy classic Pinkerton as well

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 83 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Does this mean the President can murder the SC members they don't like and replace them?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 63 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure. Even better, if you replace them with ones that will rule this was an error and the president only gets qualified immunity, you'll still be in the clear because you were acting on what you thought the law was.

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

If he went to their homes and strangled them himself? Yes. If he ordered someone to do it? The laws and UCMJ apply to those people so no. There's this thing people keep forgetting about. The UCMJ isn't just guidelines. It's actual rules. And murder is still illegal.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

If he went to their homes and strangled them himself?

I was actually think of him pulling a Vlad the Impaler and inviting them over for dinner.

The UCMJ isn’t just guidelines. It’s actual rules. And murder is still illegal.

If there's anything I learned from the Trump years, hell even the Bush II years, is that there are no rules if no one enforces them.

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

IANAL, but there is the presidential power to pardon. So the president could in theory give an illegal order (as long as it is an official act they have immunity) and promise a presidential pardon once the order is fulfilled (therefore extending immunity to the perpetrator). Meaning the president can entirely circumvent the UCMJ.

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[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 63 points 2 weeks ago

Congrats everyone, we got the Purge, but remember this is America where hoarding happens. Everyone doesn’t get one day, one person gets 4 years.

[–] Ascyron@lemmy.one 62 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So... Same as it's been since the war on terror began in 2001?

Oh, now they can assassinate white people in first world countries, not just drop bombs on weddings in mideast countries. I see. Totally makes all the difference.

(I am feeling very cynical here haha, I get this is a big significant legal precedent for the USA but yeah)

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This was kind of my response. Everyone is thinking of Trump's shit, I was wondering about Al Awlaki. Assassinate a 16yo American citizen at a child's birthday party in Yemen? Np.

What result did we expect except some weird middle ground that allows the war on terror and a shitload of other extra-judicial killings with no proper declaration of war? They're codifying immunity that was already assumed.

[–] Ascyron@lemmy.one 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you for being a far better person than I, in that you actually give enough of a fuck to remember at least one specific, named person who was murdered in the way I was described.

This is not sarcasm it's a genuine emotional appreciation. I don't have it in me to remember, since all the shit news day in and day out just all blurs together and is too much for me to cope with if I tried to remember, but I'm glad someone is.

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

Two. The Seals got his little sister.

It does blur. I used to watch all the videos of police murders and try to remember the names. I also used to hope we would make progress.

I think this ruling was the most likely outcome, but I was kinda wishing we'd get every ex-president, except maybe Jimmy Carter, in front of a firing squad.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 62 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The real question is, if you defend yourself with a gun is it considered self defence or just the assasination of the president?

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Its like in that movie with convicted drug trafficker, Tim Allen, where if you kill Santa Clause you become Santa Claus. If you kill the president, even on accident, you become the president.

[–] Fester@lemm.ee 31 points 2 weeks ago

Instead of getting fat really fast, you get old.

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[–] Hupf@feddit.de 7 points 2 weeks ago
[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 2 weeks ago

But remember, if you do drugs, you go to hell and fucking die

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 47 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe social media was not worth it.

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 44 points 2 weeks ago

So, the President is legally allowed to just kill anyone, but if anyone is resisting, even just saying “if you kill my uncle’s nephew’s father’s roommate and I will seek revenge”, it’s

18 U.S. Code § 1751 - “Presidential and Presidential staff assassination, kidnapping, and assault,” which covers attempts to kill or inflict harm on the President.

18 U.S. Code § 871 - “Threats against the President and successors to the Presidency,” which criminalizes threats to kill or harm the President.

[–] dogsoahC@lemm.ee 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's an Onion article, right?

Right?

[–] hpucks@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago
[–] FunCube@feddit.org 30 points 2 weeks ago

The best part is that whatever illegal thing Biden would do, will be designated as an unofficial act by the SC and whatever Trump will do will be designated as an official act. Kind of genius. I was asking myself before how they would get around the fact that they give Biden the same power that they wanted to give to Trump, but they don't by leaving themselves a food in the door to decide on each single act themselves.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

If it is an official act, which would mean they would have to assassinate you in their function of being the president. In other words, they couldn't just kill their neighbors.

They could probably kill them as part of a celebration, I guess. Jk, I hope.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

"Trump was a threat to democracy and I took appropriate action"

Literal fascist shit? Yes. Legal? Who knows? By the time they figure it out, biden will be dead from old age.

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[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I have seen this plot before... In a game from Japan where the president beats everyone up in a fucking giant mecha

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

We are cooked. Completely cooked. American democracy is over and it's time to prepare for a harsh right wing fascist regime.

...but vote for Biden.

It was too late 12 years ago, this is everything playing out. Everyone acted like the 2020 election was our fight to keep democracy, we had already lost it by then, the conservative plan just hadn't been completed yet.

I am not saying you should go vote and vote for Biden. I am saying that, we can never, ever elect another Republican again, or we are fucked, I do not see the that happening. If we beat trump in 2024, we may not in 2028, or new trump, whoever the new right wing strong man is may win in 2032.

It's already over, it's been over. Our chance to stop this was long before anyone even realized it was a problem.

The problem didn't start, nor does it end with trump, he is just a convenient strong man to put as the face of the movement

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

time to prepare for a harsh right wing fascist regime

Wow, that's a good point, but some people may take it the wrong way and say things like 'what taco bell are we meeting up at to plan to depose the current massively corrupt Supreme.... taco?' 'Is surprise attacks on Taco Bell's military installations a viable objective?' 'Would the taco bell 'fresh crew' join the efforts to over turn the corporate structure?' 'Or should we all just move to Spain and enjoy the authentic taste of a secular society with universal healthcare and tapas as far as the eye can see'?

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

How is this different than before?

[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago

They stopped pretending.

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[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Obama literally did kill an american 16 year old in yemen, so this is nothing new.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But that kid was killed by an attack marked ''to whom it may concern'', not a focused deliberate attack with his name on it. He was a casualty, not a victim of assassination.

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[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Obama literally did kill an american 16 year old

Not to be purposely irritating by being pedantic, but I think my hyper-literal thinking style is having trouble believing this. I don't think Obama literally killed a 16 y/o. He may have given an order, approved of it, or placed someone in charge that decided to do it, but I doubt that he personally killed the 16 y/o. Is my understanding of the word "literally" incorrect in this case?

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