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Should we stop supporting them with our eyes for taking sponsorships from shady companies?

Edit: I took my first step and unsubscribed from the channel and I will continue to withhold my viewership to those that don’t take better care of the viewers.

Likely doesn’t matter, but I’m on a roll of not giving my money to companies that are immoral so why not do the same with my eyes.

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[–] AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee 120 points 5 months ago

A channel absolutely should be held accountable for the sponsors they accept. Advertisements from YouTube are mostly outside channel owners control, but sponsors are not.

I don't support channels with unethical sponsors. It can be tough sometimes.

[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 93 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

Mark Rober was a big disappointment too. he made a pretty weird video about autism, using the fact that his son is autistic as like qualification for him to talk about it. autistic folks tried to talk to him about the problematic nature of the video in the comments, and he just blocked them. plus, he partnered with NXT for Autism, which does work with Autism Speaks, which is genuinely a hate group that's trying to exterminate autism, and, last I checked, had no autistic people on the board.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 36 points 5 months ago

After that video with a military defense company, I stopped following his videos

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (11 children)

As a parent of a child with Level 1 autism I would never dare speak as an authority on the subject. There's just so much nuance to it. I could give people a surface level introduction but that's it. Being a parent does not make people by default into expert psychotherapists.

[–] shankrabbit@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (8 children)

That being said, don't discount your expertise in your lived experience. The importance of theoretical and experiential expertise is equal in my eyes.

Maybe not directly correlated, but I would hire someone with 10 years experience over someone who studied the subject for 10 years.

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[–] eltrain123@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Try to understand that influencers and content creators are human beings and not infallible. I don’t think Mark or Derek are the greatest people in the world, but they are trying to put educational and entertaining content out into the world, and don’t seem to be malicious in intent.

Give them a break and see where they land down the road. If they turn out to be trash, judge em all you want. As someone that doesn’t spend the time and effort to pass my experience on to others, I’ll give them a bit of wiggle room on the politics associated with operating in the public attention economy.

[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 35 points 5 months ago

lol no. he had a chance, when we tried to have a reasonable conversation with him. his views on autism suck, he partnered with a bad actor, and he muted people who tried to talk to him about it. that's three different problems.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 25 points 5 months ago

Yes, they're not infallible. That's why they should be held to account for their actions. You're the one saying to treat them like they make no mistakes.

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[–] blaine@lemmy.ml 58 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Veritasium is YouTube propaganda. It's well documented - Derek takes sponsor money and gets people killed in the process. I blocked Derek on all platforms the day Tom put this documentary video out.

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[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

Google got rid of the dislike count on videos for a reason, holding content creators accountable is absolutely what should be done. It's horseshit to think that content creators shouldn't be accountable for the sponsorships they take.

[–] Snowcano@startrek.website 48 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I’m out of the loop, what did Better Help do?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 126 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Sharing users' mental health information with advertisers and connecting LGBT users with Christian faith-based therapists are the two big issues I'm aware of

[–] Snowcano@startrek.website 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yikes! Yeah, that’s messed up. Thanks for the info!

[–] protist@mander.xyz 46 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Better Help is also awful for the therapists, it basically turns them into contracted gig workers and they're less invested in their clients' success. It's also awful for the clients, because going to therapy is hard and requires hard work and facing some difficult things. The platform makes it overly easy to switch therapists whenever, and a sizeable chunk of people will jump shark when challenged, continuing to throw money down the Better Help hole with no progress to show for it

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Wow 😲 I'm so surprised that a therapy app with shortened appointments and suspicious pricing is bad for anyone! There's no possible way to have anticipated such a thing would fail in such a harmful way.

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[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 months ago

I think part of it is selling mental health data to companies such as meta. I dont know if it was anonymised but either way it's horrible

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[–] AmazingWizard@lemmy.ml 45 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Am I just old, even by internet standards? Because we've been here before. Better Help was blasted on the internet several years ago for their shady business practices. Several major YouTubers published "make good" videos about it, because of how bad the service was. Better Help was giving YouTubers and podcasters a shitload of money to promote their product, and in their terms they explicitly stated that they did not verify the credentials of their "therapists" and that it was on you to do that.

[–] You999@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We have been here before. I don't remember who made it but there's a really good video on YouTube explaining why better help started another massive ad campaign on YouTube. Better help was involved with a fraudulent doctor finder website that was directing people to better help. That website got shutdown by the FTC just before better help increased YouTube funding so the hypothesis is they are trying to recoup that lost income because it was a significant revenue source.

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[–] bjornsno@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this wasn't even that long ago? I was quite surprised when my content suddenly started being sponsored by them again.

[–] AmazingWizard@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I had that same reaction. It actually happened around 2018 (where does the time go?)

https://www.polygon.com/2018/10/4/17932862/betterhelp-app-youtube-sponsorship-controversy-explained

We've definitely been here before. One of the interesting things about this article is that a lot of the videos they embedded are gone now.

[–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Veratasium had some similar issue a few years ago too, didn't he?

[–] Pirky@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There was a video he did on a startup taxi service using self driving cars. Basically the entire thing was an advertisement for that company.
Then another Youtuber, Tom Nicholas, released a video about that a few months later and how it's an issue. I'll have to watch it again as I don't remember what he specifically talks about.

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[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

His video with one of those "genetic research" companies was very bad anti-privacy propaganda, where they used the excuse of catching the Golden State Killer as justification for storing and using the related genetic information of masses of unconsenting individuals.

He's also dipped several times into making state department propaganda like Smarter Every Day consistently does. Not nearly quite as bad as him yet though.

And he's made several videos about failures of capitalism, wherein he very obviously refuses to identify it as the problem. Like the one about planned obsolescence or leaded gasoline and another I'm forgetting.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

He also has a habit of making videos that are just long ads, like that self-driving car, or that shampoo

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I recall Tom Nichols making a video on them and also perhaps an incorrect video about electricity so probably.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago

The electricity one wasn't so much him being wrong as it was him being really bad at communicating that one point

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

On the electricity video, he was actually correct. It was mostly a matter of semantics and people clinging to the common models of electricity.

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[–] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Philip de Franco did a better help sponsor and his community went up in arms about it. now he doesn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. surprised more communities don't care about it

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (8 children)

most people don't know anything about it. they skip sponsors and watch the videos. it's not complicated.

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[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

pretty sure his video about Charmin flushable wipes being the only actually flushable wipes on the planet was bullshit

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 23 points 5 months ago

Don't let anybody tell you you can't consume or not consume whatever content you feel like. Theres an uptick in this weird attitude of "you're an asshole/fascist/whatever trying to cancel everyone" if you decide to stop watching someone or buying a product. Its bullshit, you don't owe anybody jack.

You're one person. Either you bailing won't matter, or a bunch of people bail and they learn their lesson. Either way you don't have to put up with a damn thing you don't want to. 🀷

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Wow, those comments are a dumpster fire.

Not sure what Derek 's best response might be. I'm thinking that this video will likely be taken down and replaced by one without a sponsor.

[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 23 points 5 months ago

That seems unlikely considering contracts and legal stuff

Right. You have to scroll quite a way to see something other than him being called out.

[–] ff0000@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago

To some degree, certainly! If at some point it comes out that a certain sponsor is just total shit, a content creator can be made aware of that. Although, with all these things, it is not always as easy to just drop a sponsor i suppose, there is always contracts involved and all of that. So not expecting a creator to be able to drop a sponsor all of a sudden.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm curious, what would happen if I, as a creator, had been contacted by a sponsor and then if the sponsor was shady, decided to not only say no to the contract, but also rag on them in the video where the sponsor would have been shilled?

[–] Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago

It's likely they signed a contract with them before the (second) controversy, I feel like a better way to do this is to see if they continue with the shitty sponsors

But they should be held accountable for this kind of stuff

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago

I do that kind of thing, yes. Although I usually find it so distasteful, that I lose interest in watching other videos anyways.

But yeah, especially when it's a channel making educational content, there's a chance that some viewers take the sponsored section as general educational content (no matter, whether that's because they're gullible, young or did not pay attention when the sponsor segway happened).

There's also various tech channels which recommend products that are objectively worse than the alternatives, or even exert malware-like behaviour. Those also immediately lose any and all respect from me.

Obviously, if it was a genuinely good product, it wouldn't need the sponsorship deal for people to make videos about it. So, I do understand the struggle.
But everyone wanting to make a living off of media has that struggle. If I artificially inflate the view numbers of one media creator, the others receive less sponsorship money.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

I watch basically any channel with 100,000+ subscribers through Piped so that my views or retention or engagement don't get counted by YouTube.

[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 11 points 5 months ago

Veritasium endorsed a known racketeer and as a consequence some portion of their audience is now going to be defrauded in an economy where there's not a lot of room for that especially among those in need of therapy. Watching Veritasium videos causes the channel to have greater exposure, increasing the risk to the general population if engaged with by anyone. Therefore, engaging with this channel in any way is harmful to others.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago

At least consider it. It will make shady sponsors less valuable and more genuine sponsors more valuable.

They absolutely deserve to be blasted in the comments for a bad sponsor. It will make people reconsider their viewing decisions. If the video itself also wasn't great, don't be afraid to give it a big fat dislike, especially if you have the return YouTube dislike extension.

Additionally, if there are too many ads and sponsors, make your voice heard in the comments, and the creator might be sympathetic. I certainly am when I'm on the receiving end of a comment like that on my channel.

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Slightly relevant, install firefox and sponsorblock (works on mobile)

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[–] ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I made sure to dislike the moment this sponsorship came up and closed the video. With analytics they should see the connection.

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 8 points 5 months ago

i like ur optimism. we need more ppl to do this.

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