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Mozilla is unhappy because the use of browser engines other than WebKit will be restricted to the EU, forcing them to develop two different apps.

For an independent browser like Firefox, managing two browsers is not easy, so it can be forgiven that this could be seen as almost harassment.

Also, the fact that the use of browser engines other than WebKit is limited to iOS means that the use of WebKit is still forced on iPadOS, which also increases the effort for Mozilla.

Source: https://iphonewired.com/news/746093/

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm fucking enraged man. I hope we can regulate these assholes.

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

There is a very easy solution. Don't buy apple.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

That's not a solution. It's a way for you to avoid the problem. It does nothing to help the millions of people who are already deeply invested in the Apple ecosystem.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (27 children)

Not sure if it's a fallacy if it's about addressing people who have spent a ton on an ecosystem and can't just devote more money to buy the alternative and time to figure out the parts that aren't compatible

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[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not a solution.

This not only has a time and effort cost attached to it but selling your used hardware to buy new hardware is always a bad value proposition.

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[–] oo1@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

This could even go as high as a 'don't buy'
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERjJDjjUYAEutgQ.jpg

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[–] M500@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

I’d like to add that even if you sell apple. The only other alternative is android and they have their own set of issues.

For me, an iPhone that allows sideloading would be a huge step towards perfect.

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[–] M500@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I like how just about everyone I who’s looked at this is basically like, “fuck apple”.

There are a few fanboys, but they are way less common than usual.

I’m hoping Apple picks up on this and reverses course.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I’ll take a stab at speaking for Apple fans, and in fact developers. (I’m an ex-employee.)

There are a lot of things we like about the user experience on their platforms, and we appreciate their general interest in privacy while not engaging in the dirty data mining / advertising business of Google and Microsoft. There is a polish on their platforms that is best in class.

But I don’t believe any of us actually support the App Store lockdown situation. It’s probably the biggest black mark on their record. I think they got it right on macOS, requiring the binaries to be notarised (signed digitally) in such a way that malware can be blacklisted. This is a useful security feature. But developers are free to distribute however they want and third party stores like SetApp and Steam coexist happily with the App Store.

100% of their arguments about keeping the App Store as the sole distribution chain are bullshit because macOS is the proof. It’s pure rent-seeking behaviour.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

But the privacy is just a facade, right? Like with that recent scandal about the government requesting push notification info, Google of all companies was actually only handing it over with valid warrants while Apple was giving it to any law enforcement who asked.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Apple always had been painfull for any third party devs. Also Vivaldi worked several years to create a browser which works in this iPhone thing, and now, after it's release, Apple admits Chromium.

[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Why not stopping developing apps for Apple systems? Fuck them.

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[–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago (7 children)

So hear me out. What if we took $6.9M out of the CEO bonus and dropped the Mozilla AI project?
Maybe that would be enough to hire a maintainer or two for Firefox iOS port?
Maybe that could work?
I don't know, just an idea. Crazy.

[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

oh yeah put the onus on mozilla, nice one

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what you coul have against mozilla ai?

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Mozilla: ignores years of customer complaints and requests

Mozilla: creates new product nobody asked for

Fans: "What's wrong with Product?"

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 0 points 7 months ago

Mozilla: ignores years of customer complaints and requests

Are these customers donating, or purchasing mozilla products or services so that mozilla doesn't have to rely on google's donations?

Mozilla: creates new product nobody asked for

https://github.com/Mozilla-Ocho

Nearly 10k and 400 stars on those respective repos.

A way to run a large language model on any operating system, in any OS, in a simple, local, and privacy respecting manner?

For linux we have docker, but Windows users were starving for a good way to do this, and even on linux, removing the step of configuring docker (or other container runtimes) to work with nvidia, is nice.

And it's still FOSS stuff they aren't being paid for, currently. But there are plenty of ways to monetize this.

Here's an easy one: tie in the the vpn service they have to allow you to access the web ui of the computer running the llamafile remotely. Configure something like end to end encryption or or nat traversal (so not even mozilla can sniff the traffic), and you end up with a private LLM you can access remotely.

With this, maybe they can afford some actual development on firefox, without having to rely on google money.

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[–] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My wife has an iPad and one of the things I hate the most is that you can't install adblock extensions into Firefox on it like you can on Android. Which is a thing that has made using the browser on the phone wayyyy more enjoyable.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

I use DNS level blocking for blocking ads on iOS devices.

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