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(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin, running for a new six-year term in an election that his opponents say is a parody of democracy, said on Tuesday that past U.S. elections had been rigged by postal voting.

"In the United States, previous elections were falsified through postal voting ... they bought ballots for $10, filled them out, and threw them into mailboxes without any supervision from observers, and that's it," Putin said, without providing evidence.

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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 192 points 8 months ago (3 children)

And watch MAGA eat this shit up.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 100 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why would putin lie about such a thing? I'm going to blindly believe him since it confirms my existing beliefs.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 56 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, he does know a thing or two about rigged elections.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 59 points 8 months ago (23 children)

MAGA and tankies. I'd say strange bedfellows, but honestly, they're not that different beyond what shade of red they prefer to be painted.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

they're not that different beyond what shade of red they prefer to be painted.

CCP Red or Kremlin Rouge

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 17 points 8 months ago

I prefer them in Ukrainian Missile Crimson

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[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Cosplay communists.

No one who's an actual communist would support Yeltsin and the Oligarchs' friend Putin.

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[–] jas0n@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

This 100%. The Russian propaganda to right wing talking heads pipeline is just so painfully obvious.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 105 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Elections have been rigged for a long, long time. Gerrymandering is absolutely insane. Cities with meandering sections cut off. Disadvantaged suburbs slammed into afluent areas across town to dilute the votes.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 41 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But not rigged in the way Putin and the Republicans claim. Rigged in ways that help them.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 70 points 8 months ago (11 children)

"In the United States, previous elections were falsified through postal voting ... they bought ballots for $10, filled them out, and threw them into mailboxes without any supervision from observers, and that's it,"

Problem - That's not the way vote by mail works.

  1. You register to vote and place a signature on file.

  2. You get your ballot in the mail and vote.

  3. You put the ballot in the mailing envelope and sign the back of the envelope.

  4. When the ballot is returned, they compare the signature on the envelope with the signature on file, if it matches, the ballot is set aside for counting.

  5. If there's a PROBLEM:

A) Missing signature
B) Signature doesn't match
C) Ballot damaged or unreadable
D) Ballot already recorded as present

The ballot gets returned to the voter for correction, assuming there's enough time for it to be corrected.

What Putin describes wouldn't work, because the fake ballots either wouldn't have a signature, wouldn't have a valid signature, or wouldn't correspond to a registered voter.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Won't matter, he is speaking directly to MAGAs, and they already believe that this is the truth

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You know how the Nigerian prince scams intentionally use terrible English to filter out the stupid ones?

Half the people you come across are below average. Technology has made it exceptionally effective to target the dumb and vulnerable.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 7 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Plus no one is allowed to supervise your ballot entries.

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[–] EdanGrey@sh.itjust.works 59 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Ah yes, a Putin, the bastion of honesty and truth.

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[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So weird that Trump and Putin have the exact same opinions. Do you think Trump is controlling Putin?

[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 32 points 8 months ago

Putin dying will be a holiday.

[–] zik@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

I mean he should know since he was one of the people paying to influence the election.

[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Say it with me kids, Projection.

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[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

"by me lelelelelelelel" - Putin prolly

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Rhetoric of this sort just promotes distrust in election systems, which of course prompts demagogues like Trump to promise voters they can fix it if they gain power. The fun thing here is that the right here needs you to believe things that aren't true in order to justify them doing a coup, the stupid thing is that stupid people take this kind of talk seriously.

But seriously, American voting is relatively secure- it's just that where lawmakers don't want voters deciding the 'wrong' way they've gerrymandered them into districts to prevent them doing it, and they've done things to strip voters of their voting rights and to suppress voting and to make it inconvenient or difficult to vote. This has been a bipartisan thing in the past, but today the GOP are the chief offenders.

Also, Putin's Russia is in the stage of democracy where elections are an exercise in flaunting the death of democracy itself, and nobody should ever take his talk about elections as being in good faith, ever

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[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Always has been.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

Of course, if it was a popular vote, the parties would apply entirely different strategies in elections, so we cannot be sure what would've happened in the past if popular vote mattered.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Inequitable is different than rigged.

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[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (12 children)

I never really understood this. Why do an election when the electoral college decides who the winner is?

I'm not a US American.

[–] AlijahTheMediocre@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The electoral college complicates things by having each state be its own separate popular vote.

Two states, Nebraska and Maine, will split their electoral votes based on their popular vote. But the rest of the states just give all their electoral votes to their popular vote winner.

The core issue is that a presidential candidate can win 50.1% of the vote in a state and will receive all electoral votes as if 100% of the state voted for him.

A secondary issue is that one electoral vote in Wyoming isn't equal to one electoral vote in California because of each state having a minimum of three electoral votes. Wyoming has a smaller population than many cities in the United States.

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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The original thinking was the electoral college could stop any truly disastrous votes. But we've seen how that goes! Now we're stuck with it because it helps one party and would require a constitutional amendment to abolish, and too few people in power are interested in doing what's right for the country - they're interested in doing what's right for their party.

(For another example of the "party first" mentality that has taken over: Washington, DC residents have no vote in Congress. This seems like an obvious thing to fix, give them a two members of the House and two Senators....but whoa, we can't do that, it would change the balance of power in Congress! Seriously. That's why DC residents have no real voice in Congress. For clarity, their votes do count for the Presidential election.)

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Protecting bitch, Putin rigs Russian elections and tried to rig ours again but failed. Fuck him

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And he wouldn't lie would he. Internationally known as being a reasonable person that he is.

God, what a stupid article, why the hell was this even reported? Oh never mind it's Yahoo news, that's why

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Cool story.

Why is it so hard for people to judge credibility? It's just (1) listen to a statement, (2) ask if what a person is saying directly benefits them and (3) if it does, require evidence to believe it.

We know this is not credible because by saying it, Putin diverts attention from his own corrupt election and normalizes election fraud. So did he provide evidence? No. So it should be ignored.

Can't we all just... Do that?

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[–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Who cares what that failed czar pussy says kek

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even the one that trump won?

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Especially the one Trump 'won'.

Rigged primarily by the electoral college by making some people's votes worth more than others.

[–] Yewb@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

I love the logic pivot on people who in the 90s thought russia was just straight up evil are now looking at them as the bastion of conservative ideals...

Go move to Russia boys, oh you don't want to? Why not they apparently have it all figured out.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hey Putin, we're all saving up for the gigantic party we're gonna throw when you blow your (meager collection of) irradiated brains out all over your disheveled office.

Also the table you use for meetings is SMALL!

[–] Wermhatswormhat@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Because he has the receipt 😂

[–] Ltcpanic@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This post is disinformation

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago

Source: Trust me bro Trump.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Interesting.

Seems like they're going to be shooting for an off election cycle coup, since their last one failed and its not quite time for the next window of opportunity.

The supreme court taking up Trumps case the most significant case in the history of the United States. It will decide if our constitution has any real meaning (in some ways, it determines the tests the very legitimacy of constitutionalism as a system). The language of the constitution, and the interpretation of this amendment is very cut and dry. No one can reasonably argue it wasn't designed, and intended to prevent Trump or Trump-like candidates. It was an insurrection against the United States of America. He not only partook in it, he led it, supported it.

So this may be a signal that Putin thinks the Supreme Court will rule against Trump. Go ahead and start seeding the doubt around the next election cycle now.

It may also be a sign for something far more nefarious, that perhaps rather than allowing a ruling to happen, Trump goes for a coup-in-name-only, makes the claim that the election was stolen, and that he is 'President-in-Abstentia' sitting in Moscow. Then gets his lackies to make road blocks across the country, idk.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 11 points 8 months ago

Once again proving the old adage that every accusation from the fascists is a confession, in Russia too.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago

He should know.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 9 points 8 months ago

I had to double take to make sure it wasn't Jokes and Humor but actually World News

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Well, if anyone knows about rigging elections, Putin certainly qualifies!

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 8 points 8 months ago

Putin’s the type of dude who would steal your wallet and then help you look for it

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago

oops! he forgot to activate the Trump puppet first, lol

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