Well that’s good news. Now we just gotta see how well she does tomorrow. Biden might actually win in 2024. I’ve been feeling so negative about it because most Americans don’t understand what caused inflation and “well, the economy was better under Trump” means literally nothing when a global pandemic and regional wars fucked the world up
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The Trump economy is exactly why we're having this housing crisis. His administration kept interest rates insanely low, way after the economy had recovered from the recession. This resulted in an insane amount of borrowing, because even poor investments could easily beat the interest rate, so it was essentially free money.
Well, surprise surprised, a ton of that borrowed money went straight into the real estate market as "safe" investments, which caused housing prices to sky rocket.
The pandemic certainly added fuel to the fire, but people tend to forget the underlying cause of massive housing inflation - "free" money and a no brainer investment.
The pandemic just fuel to the fire because everyone suddenly looked to upgrade their home situation, due to being stuck there on lock down.
And speaking of fuel, there’s more domestic oil production under Biden than under Trump! How much do we hear them bitch about the price of gas? They’re so stupid
Probably actually more a problem with fed policy under Obama. It's understandable that rates went to zero after 2008, but keeping them there for 7+ years doesn't look great in hindsight. Trump actually did hike rates prior to the Pandemic, with Obama doing a few small hikes right before he left office as well.
While I 100% agree that Trump made plenty of poor decisions for the economy, interest rates are out of the president's hands. You could say that the Fed's chairman was appointed by Trump, and is therefore Trump's fault by proxy, but Biden never replaced that position. The same guy, Jerome Powell, who kept interest rates too low for too long is the same one who raised them to offset inflation.
Criticisms about handling of the economy should focus more on things they actually had a hand in.
Also, the weird truth is that the economy did better under both Obama and Biden than it did under trump, but the wingers don't let facts get in the way of their talking points. I've been worried about Haley getting the nomination because I think she could beat Biden. I don't think trump would. For me trump winning is scarier, but more unlikely.
Im scared of a Trump win but terrified of a Trump loss. What will happen if he loses a second general election? I would rather see Haley get the nomination because the Trumpers would write in Trump and Biden would win easily. I’m voting for Haley in my state’s primary lmao
One thing to keep it mind, when he lost the first time, he was still in control of the government so his power and influence was far greater than it is now. This second time around, he has no power whatsoever, he's just another citizen, but it is through his supporters, and the constant media attention, that he wields the illusion of power, but not political power. Objectively, it will be A LOT harder for Trump to attempt another coup since he no longer has all the political levers to control.
I agree with you there! But at the same time, him with less options leaves the door open for more unfettered violence. I think it’s not likely that a bunch of old racist men who cosplay as Navy SEALs would stage a widespread revolt that involves multiple domestic terrorist incidents, but… it’s sort of not impossible either. Some rightwingers took out a power grid near Fort Bragg last year. Makes me wonder if that was a drill
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Legit question from a non-American - are Repubs really likely to vote for a woman for president?
A woman republican candidate will lose badly bc they would not.
Not just Republicans. I know several people on both sides of the aisle who only voted for Trump the first time because they didn't want a woman president.
most Americans don’t understand what caused inflation and “well, the economy was better under Trump” means literally nothing when a global pandemic and regional wars fucked the world up
That's the thing about the collision between reality and politics though: the former doesn't matter.
When I was in the military, they used to always say "Perception is reality." I'm no philosophy major, but I always thought that was exceedingly stupid, especially for the military.
But the more I learn about the world, the more I'm just like...yeah, okay, if you want to be pragmatic, then perception is reality.
So, the fact that most Americans don't understand what caused inflation and attribute it to the president like idiots means everything politically. It's Americans who are voting. And if they can proudly identify Canada on a map and proclaim it's the U.S., then that's what we're stuck with.
Yeah, well said. I’ve given up trying to convince my MAGA mom that had Trump gotten a second term, inflation would still be high. I walked her through everything that happened and asked her what was it that Biden did that made inflation bad. It’s just crickets. They hear “Biden bad, inflation his fault” and that’s enough for them.
Until they can differentiate between a claim and a fact, we’re stuck with their alternative reality
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I just don't understand some voters. At all.
They are stupid. It's really that simple.
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This is scary because, if Trump finally ends up in prison or is otherwise somehow not the Republican nominee, Nikki Haley is as stupid and dangerous as the rest of the Republican leadership. If she has a better chance against Biden than Trump, we should hope Trump is the one on the ballot (and then subsequently rotting in prison after he loses).
A second Trump presidency isn't the greatest threat to American democracy. Republicans are. Trump and his sycophantic cult are just the most notable symptom of the Republican disease. Until they either move on from their 21st century extremism or are obliterated as a party, Democrats need to win because these evil psychopaths cannot be allowed to govern.
We should never hope for Trump on the ballot. Even if that means Haley fuming it out with Uncle Joe. Trump should not be allowed to run. Period.
THIS. I’ll take someone who hasn’t admitted that they plan on being a day-one dictator over one that has any day.
And it shouldn't be an optional thing. Even if it could potentially help Democrats, or you personally, or whatever, it is unacceptable for him to be allowed to run after refusing to transition power peacefully. It is and should be disqualifying.
It's not a matter of preference. It is a matter of what is right and just.
Well said.
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In the event that Trump is in prison, or has a heart attack next month, or whatever, you'd see a depression among MAGA voters in the election. They wouldn't be enthusiastic and plenty of them would stay home. Trump gets really big turnout in these types and total votes would go below 2012 Republican numbers. For instance in 2020 Trump got 74 million votes. In 2012 Romney got 60 million. In 2008 McCain got 59 million. It's not that 14 million people shifted to the right after 2012, it's that they all came out to vote.
Trump shouldn’t be on the ballot. He tried to lead a coup against his own country. He should be done.
Doesn’t matter if there was 100% chance of Republicans losing with Trump vs. 100% chance of winning without him. He still should not be on the ballot ever again.
This isn’t about teams or sides or who we want to win. The guy committed treason. We shouldn’t be legitimizing that by letting him run for fucking president. He should be in prison.
200 years from now, students shouldn’t be learning that we tried to vote a treasonous authoritarian cult leader back into office. They should be learning that treason ends your political career forever.
If Haley is the nominee, there's no way she beats Biden. Biden votes would be lessened because there'd be no anti-Trump vote but you still have abortion, weed, and student loan forgiveness on the table. Three super-popular policies that the dems have over the repubs and there's no chance Haley changes tack on abortion or loan forgiveness.
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Obviously, vote no matter what. But I don't think this proves Nikki is the stronger candidate. For every 1 Nikki voter that votes for Biden over Trump, there may easily be 3 or 4 Trump voters who stay home rather than vote for Haley. Trump achieved unprecedented turnout in 2020 when he lost (because Biden achieved even more unprecedented turnout). I doubt Nikki can capture that same result
This is a good point. Thanks for helping to quell my worries a bit.
I mean she is a woman. That already takes her down a shit ton of votes compared to Trump.
Also she's Middle Eastern.
Identity politics are big in the GOP too.
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All five of them, huh?
They’re lying
It's not like Haley is middle-of-the-road compared to Trump, she's potentially just as right-wing (if not more) as he is, so are Republicans voting for her just looking for any alternative to Trump? Are they potentially more center-spectrum, just because they're willing to vote for a female candidate? It's still early in the process though, I'm sure when we get into the main election, those attitudes could potentially change as it comes down to it.
Haley's policies are far-right. She's a threat in many ways. But she's not a threat to Democracy. She would be a terrible President, but that's still better than a horrible dictator.
Trump has shown that he is a threat to the republic. Haley, not so much, even if her policies are too far right. So it's probably because they want someone to represent their views, but also recognize that Trump is an actual threat and don't feel the same way about Haley. . .which would explain why so many of them would vote for Biden.
Yep. Haley's platforms may be similar to Trump, but she is not against democratic institutions. It's sad that the bar is now at "do they say they will be a dictator day 1", but here we are.
If Haley was president, we would still have to fight tooth and nail, but I would be decently confident we would still have the ability to vote her out in 4 years.
100%. Voters think Hailey is a "moderate" Republican because she's a woman which feeds into their assumptions about women being more moderate in general. It's nothing more complicated than that.
This person would pardon an insurrectionist. Either she has drunk deep of the Kool-aid, or she's as shameless and unprincipled as Trump, McCarthy and all the other GOP who will say literally anything for votes.
doubt
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A new NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll released just one day before the Iowa caucuses found that 43 percent of Haley backers in the state said they would vote for Biden if Trump is the GOP nominee, while 23 percent say they would vote for the former president.
Eight percent said they would vote for independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
“Haley is consolidating the anti-Trump vote,” J. Ann Selzer, a pollster who has conducted the Iowa survey over the last three decades, told NBC.
The poll also explored likely Iowa GOP caucusgoers’ view of Trump’s legal challenges.
The NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll was conducted Jan. 7-12 with 705 likely Republican Iowa caucusgoers.
The poll has an overall margin of error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points.
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