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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 109 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Haley blaming Lincoln for the Civil War should end any debate about her fitness for office. This is pretty close to saying, basically, slavery should be legal.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Either a) she knows what really happened, but is lying because she considers the bases approval more important than reality or b) she's a fucking moron.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Raising the question: Is Haley ignorant or is she a liar?

Yes.

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

She can be an ignorant liar.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I mean blaming Lincoln for the civil war and then claiming to be the party of Lincoln. Seems like that would be a little cognitive dissonance right there wouldn't it?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The base does not care about logical consistency. Indeed, it appears that many of them are altogether unaware of the concept logical consistency, and are entirely uninterested in learning or understanding it.

[–] vanontom@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They actually enjoy being illogical, because it frustrates their "enemies"... sane people trying to make educated, thoughtful, rational arguments. Their arguments are equal to someone just making fart noises. Idiocracy is here.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 94 points 11 months ago (3 children)

She's essentially saying the same "states' rights" bullshit. Which was the right to slavery.

Ugh

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The constitution of the Confederacy forbade states from banning slavery. The confederates were fighting against state's rights to abolish slavery.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

The Union was not just the anti-slavery side, but the states' rights side as well.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago

She is white supremacist trash. Props to whoever asked her that question. She isn't bothering to hide it.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 54 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Haley's response:

“I think it always comes down to the role of government and what the rights of the people are,” Haley replied. “And I will always stand by the fact that I think government was intended to secure the rights and freedoms of the people. It was never meant to be all things to all people. Government doesn’t need to tell you how to live your life. They don’t need to tell you what you can and can’t do. They don’t need to be a part of your life. They need to make sure that you have freedom. We need to have capitalism. We need to have economic freedom. We need to make sure that we do all things so that individuals have the liberties so that they can have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to do or be anything they want to be without government getting in the way.”

All Haley had to do was just add in that the Confederacy was about taking away liberties of groups of people and their ability to seek out economic freedom, and that slaves had no freedom of everything.

The bar was on the fucking ground and Haley still failed to meet it.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's too bad we didn't really crush the Confederates after the war. Meaning, really rub their noses in their loss, but give them a path back to redemption that doesn't involve letting them off easy.

Don't allow them to erect statues for "heritage" and so on. Don't allow them to teach about the "Northern war of aggression" and all that.

[–] AmberPrince@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Marching to the sea burning everything down is my heritage.

[–] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

FREEDOM!!!*

*except for what you do in bed or with your uterus, what you may want to read, unfettered access to empirical reality and other things which we’ll maybe let you know about once we figure them out.

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also the GOP came out to say her candidacy was “toast” and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Their top guy right now literally used the words state rights and said that it wasn’t about slavery. Why is Haley toast?

Am I the only one who noticed that level of hypocrisy?

[–] ChemicalPilgrim@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Because everyone else is held to some kind of standard, and he's not.

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Well, yeah. Because that would mean giving personhood to the group that was enslaved, and Republicans love to ask, "Well, can we really say that Group "x" are people?"

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

When the questioner said it was “astonishing” to hear her respond “without mentioning the word slavery,” Haley replied: “What do you want me to say about slavery?” She then asked for the next question

I understand that it was a rhetorical question....but it's kind of not. It's pretty clear that her position on slavery is going to be--much like every other opinion--entirely controlled by what her voters want her to say.

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (25 children)

Use her full name.

Nimarata Nikki Randhawa Haley

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[–] youngGoku@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Federal minimum wage are slave wages

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Chattal slavery ended but wage slavery and prison slavery is still going strong. Your 401K manager is heavily invested in continuing it too

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Remember people, minimum wage=minimum effort. No favors, no "we're family at this company" bullshit. Do the absolute bare minimum and go home, turn off your phone.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I'm soooooo shocked :0 /s

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