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After almost a decade on the court, Thomas had grown frustrated with his financial situation, according to friends. He had recently started raising his young grandnephew, and Thomas’ wife was soliciting advice on how to handle the new expenses. The month before, the justice had borrowed $267,000 from a friend to buy a high-end RV.

At the resort, Thomas gave a speech at an off-the-record conservative conference. He found himself seated next to a Republican member of Congress on the flight home. The two men talked, and the lawmaker left the conversation worried that Thomas might resign.

Congress should give Supreme Court justices a pay raise, Thomas told him. If lawmakers didn’t act, “one or more justices will leave soon” — maybe in the next year.

At the time, Thomas’ salary was $173,600, equivalent to over $300,000 today. But he was one of the least wealthy members of the court, and on multiple occasions in that period, he pushed for ways to make more money. In other private conversations, Thomas repeatedly talked about removing a ban on justices giving paid speeches.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 122 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's called soliciting a bribe....

Gee rich people who put me into power, 300k just isn't enough to live off of and if I don't get more money I might resign in a year a liberal would pick me replacement....

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Stochastic bribery? "Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome debt?"

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 102 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Somehow, we've been able to raise a child on a lot less than $173,600. Of course, we didn't take a loan to buy a high-end RV.

Maybe Thomas should have done the thing that Republicans keep saying people aren't doing and live within his means.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago (4 children)

That was the salary back when he was complaining which it appears would have been sometime in or around 2000.

It's $253,361 now.

As the excerpt from the article states, the 173,600 would be over $300,000 today. So, you should really feel bad for the Supreme Court justices. Their salary raises haven't kept up with inflation.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago

Seize the means of ... jurisprudence?

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Neither has the salary of the majority of Americans. Federal minimum wage has been decreasing in value due to inflation for almost 15 years.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Maybe if the dumb fucks worked towards supporting the majority of the populous and not just the ones making more than 30 million a year and we'd have affordable living situations.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That’s a good point, they should get more pay. You’d expect them to be among the highest paid government workers. Given that DC is a high cost of living city and software engineers at other high cost of living cities can make that and lawyers significantly more, I’d agree they are overdue for a significant raise.

That doesn’t excuse the corruption, and I doubt it would be enough to stop him crying poverty

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

It's not like he was making payments on the loan, either.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 59 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The month before, the justice had borrowed $267,000 from a friend to buy a high-end RV.

Just cut back on the avocado toast.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Borrowed" money he never repaid and was never expected to be repaid.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

It seems like at the time maybe he expected to have to repay it but under very generous loan terms. But, once he started complaining about money and threatening to quit, somehow the loan was forgiven.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You know… if you can’t make do with nearly 200k+ for a salary…

Maybe you should learn to figure it out rather than solicit bribes from people like Harlan Crow.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

From the moment he graduated from Yale Law, he's had a chip on his shoulder about deserving to be rich. It's understandable. Many of his white classmates got high paying jobs, he struggled. He blamed it on affirmative action, believing that his degree wasn't taken seriously because they thought he didn't get where he did on merit. (Worth noting that before Yale Law he attended the College of the Holy Cross as one of the first black students there... but see he deserved that, it wasn't affirmative action.)

His whole "philosophy" is pretty interesting, not in that it makes any sense, just in that you can see how his experiences warped his world view.

He doesn't believe in any government program that could help black people. Partially, that's because he thinks that the world will only believe that black people are where they are on merit if they're never given a hand up. Partially it's because he was influenced by black separatist movements and thinks black people should stay angry with whites, and not ever feel they are allies.

Being so against affirmative action got him the attention of Reagan, and so he started moving in Republican political circles. His party trick was shitting all over social programs that helped black people, while having black skin. The GOP loved him for it. He was appointed chairman of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, while hating everything it stood for. Basically, a typical GOP ploy of assigning someone who wanted to destroy something to run it.

Once he was enmeshed in GOP politics, he became the perfect supreme court nominee. A guy with black skin (meaning it was going to be hard to get the democrats to vote against his confirmation) but who hated every government program that helped black people (meaning the GOP was going to love him).

But, even though he got the power of the Supreme Court, he never got the payout he thought he deserved. The guy who loaned him the money to buy the half-million dollar tour bus had worked as a congressional staffer at the same time as Thomas. But, instead of staying in politics, he'd spun off into business and gotten rich. Thomas got the power, but he didn't get the money, and he's been chasing the payout he thinks he deserves ever since his Yale graduation in 1974.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago (2 children)

One of the consequences of hanging out with billionaires is that it makes one feel puny.

In an documentary about super rich kids, Ivanka Trump (a teenager at the time) said it was impossible to maintain friendships with people of modest means because you either had to exclude them from extravagant social events or pay their way. This leaves the poorer party feeling left out or awkwardly obligated.

It's likely that Thomas resents his benefactors. It's deeply ironic that Thomas apparently spends so much time in situations where he's the subordinate.

[–] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'll hang out with him.

My wife and I haven't seen the new Godzilla movie yet. We can double date with Charence and Ginni.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I won't. He's not a good person and doesn't make even a token effort to pretend otherwise.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah, plus being so poor, I don't want to have to pay for him.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I had a boss back in the '90s who used to be a corporate headhunter in San Francisco and then moved back to the east coast and bought a temp agency. He hired me to do computer stuff for his dalliance into futures trading so I had access to his finances; he had investment accounts of around $5 million, a 50' sailboat, a couple BMWs and the temp agency which earned him around $25K per month, so he was rich by almost anybody's standards. But he had many friends back in the bay area who were worth hundreds of millions of dollars and the reality of his relative poverty absolutely ate him alive - it was virtually the only thing he could talk about and explained his adventures in futures trading.

Hilariously, I once watched him berate his two temp agency receptionists (who made $7 an hour) because his monthly income had dropped from $40K to $25K, as if it was their fault and they could be expected to give a shit in the first place.

[–] SangersSequence@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Quit then. Corrupt piece of shit.

Really seems like this is just a blatant attempt to coerce Republican legislators though. "Give us more money or that precious right wing majority you grifted so hard to get installed might be at risk".

Edit: typo

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Quit then. Corrupt piece of shit.

If you'd read the story, or even just the summary above, you'd know that this story, and his threat to quit was something that happened in early January, 2000, 23 years ago. He can't quit then, then isn't now.

Reading between the lines, the article suggests that the corruption that followed (his sort-of son's private tuition being paid off, the private jets to vacation on yachts, his wife getting a job at the Heritage Foundation and a six figure salary, etc.) was a result of his complaining that he wasn't getting paid enough.

[–] papertowels@lemmy.one 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Will no one rid me of this troublesome debt?

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

He found himself seated next to a Republican member of Congress on the flight home

Aww gee, what a coincidence

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

When Richard Nixon was President, his salary was $200,000 /year and that was considered a fabulous sum. The inflated salaries of CEOs was a result of Reagan deregulating the banks.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

According to The CPI Inflation Calculator, $200,000 in December 1969 would be the equivalent of $1.628 million today.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The CPI index is useful for some things, but not the real world. In 1969, that $200,000 would have brought you a mansion, a Rolls Royce, a Jag, and you'd have had enough money left over to buy a nice little business. In 1960, minimum wage was $1/hour and the average house was $11,000.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And what if your mansion and travel were also covered by that job?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea what you are asking.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

You were talking about President Nixon’s pay

In 1969, that $200,000 would have brought you a mansion, a Rolls Royce

But Presidents are given a mansion and travel/transportation, so that $200k goes much farther

[–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

... in purchasing power. Which is a lot.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That sounds a lot like soliciting & being given a bribe.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 10 points 9 months ago

Let's ask the Supreme Court if it's a crime. They said no.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 18 points 9 months ago

God, I wish he would have. Of course, it was nothing but an empty threat to get him more bribes.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago

He wouldn't even qualify for a security clearance with the kind of debt that he intentionally racked up, and that is explicitly because it would open him up to bribery.

Guess what? It did open him up to bribery! What a shock.

Maybe the people who serve in the most powerful levels of government should at least be able to qualify for a basic security clearance.

[–] oDDmON@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Another reason for the court to be subjected to change; they’re all wealthy fucks who have no clue, or care, how their rulings affect everyone outside the donor class.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 15 points 9 months ago

Don't threaten us with a good time, Clarence.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why will he not fuck off and die?

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

He and Senator McConnell have Kissinger's kiss: Somehow people hellbent on being evil get to live for a very long time.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Mo powa, mo monah