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That sounds like the government is trying to interfere with free speech and the free market.
Definitely. Republicans are big fans of "let the market decide" and big opponents of "big government dictating what companies should do" until the market decides against them. Then, suddenly, the Republicans are big fans of the government deciding what companies should do and opponents of the free market.
The levels of hypocrisy never fail to amaze me.
The supposed love of free markets and things like "states rights" is just a cover for their racism and their greed and their insatiable desire to rule over others.
I am pretty sure this is pure virtue signaling that will be overturned. The article mentions that “Israel boycott” laws have been upheld, but I’m unsure of either the effectiveness of those laws (ie what has to be demonstrated if the entity doesn’t say they’re not entering a contract for political reasons but rather has another justification) or the applicability (since my guess is that the BDS stuff falls under some stretch of the government being the only entity allowed to effect foreign policy decisions, but I’m not sure of the actual legal basis and I’m too tired to research it at the moment).
It shows the right never cared about FREEZED PEACH. What they want is a platform like Xitter to be run by a twerp like Space Karen in such a way as to maximize liberal "ownage" and to platform Nazis, and, ideally, give people no way to completely opt out of their dreck.
Capitalism for me, but not for thee.
Setting aside constitutional issues, think about how insane and delusional you have to be to decide that the fact that a significant number of people are protesting your policies means that protesting needs to be ~~prohibited~~ punished.
Bill Text: https://www.senate.mo.gov/24info/pdf-bill/intro/SB1061.pdf
It doesn't prohibit protesting, it basically says that if you engage in "economic boycott" (a term which about a third of the bill is spent defining) then the State of Missouri cannot use you as a vendor, and any contracts with them are null and void.
So less prohibiting protesting and more not buying stuff from protesters. Probably still a 1A violation, though from an odd enough angle I'm not sure.
Wonder how that would work out given the number of firearms vendors that actively boycott liberal things like budlight. Police departments are going to be all outta ammo.
Sounds like the anti-BDS laws. Somehow that's a thing, and I'm not sure how that's even allowed.
Also, I was amused that BDS also stands for "Biden Derangement Syndrome". In the years before Denver Post closed their comments, they ramped their censorship way up and for some reason "BDS" would trigger their nanny-filter. I'm supposing even the mention of the boycott of Israel was bridge too far for the nannies at Denver Post.
"Well, it brings the subject into view and we hate hearing about it (cry harder, libs!) so we'll just stop people from doing the thing that brings it into view and annoys us." - conservative snowflakes, probably
"No one should be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding." "No company should be allowed to refuse to give another company millions of dollars a month in advertising income just because they began vocally supporting nazism"
These are two thoughts that simultaneously bounce around in GOP politicians' heads. They seem to be contradictory ideas until you realize that they are simply ALWAYS in favor of harming the right people and do not give the slightest shit about applying the same rules to everyone if those rules harm the wrong people.
The only principle the GOP has is whatever they think will win them the current argument. Asking for any ideological consistency from them is tilting at windmills.
First Amendment violation. Won't go anywhere.
Except that they can pass the bill, and enforce the bill, and the legislation stays active and in place until someone with standing files suit, goes to court (taking on the time and money expense of doing so), goes through the appeals process (and we know that the State could also appeal, so either way it goes), on and on until it gets to SCOTUS. All of which can take years, during which unconstitutional fuckery is foisted upon the good citizens of Missouri.
This is the standard that's been set: do whatever the fuck you want, and abuse the judiciary to get away with it as long as possible.
Last i checked there's already a law like this in Texas that forbids businesses who work with the state from boycotting Israel, oil and gas companies, or gun rights groups
If a legislator tries to pass something so blatantly obviously against the constitution, they should be thrown in jail and barred from ever writing another law again.
Yes, I know that'd put a lot of politicians in jail. Doesn't that put a smile on your face, too?
“Let the free market will decide”
“No, not like that”
That's called SMALL GOVERNMENT!
A lot of people in the comments are saying how this won't hold up or how unconstitutional it is but 35 fucking states have already passed anti-bds (boycotts, divestment*, and sanctions) laws that do the same thing as this bill but Israel. If the politicians are sufficiently bribed enough, they won't care what the laws actually are.
That just means 35 states have passed unconstitutional laws about Israel.
How much you want to bet they’ll still be cool with a conservative business boycotting LGBT supporting businesses?
So, I guess freedom of association is not a thing with the teabaggers.
And what about the FREEZED PEACH? I thought Space Karen and his fanbois wanted a "marketplace of ideas" and whatnot?
Something something sincerely held beliefs.
So the party of small government strikes again…
Thanks a lot, Supreme Court.
You've made the christians into a protected class.
Conservatism is not a protected class. It is perfectly legal to discriminate against someone based on their political orientation.
We have a moral duty to not engage in business with bigots, misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, xenophobes, antisemites and racists. Conservatism should be openly excluded from polite society without fear. It is the moral thing to do.
It's the paradox of tolerance. To safeguard a tolerant society, you have to be intolerant when it comes to the intolerant.
Missouri is the poorest and least consequential state in America. They have nothing at all to offer the country and have no say in anything that happens outside of their own shitty, unimportant borders. Even if this passes, it won't matter. What companies are even HQd in Missouri?
Well, this law is going to backfire.
Even if this somehow passed... from a business perspective: Pull out of Missouri and stop offering services to 6 million people, or tell tens or hundreds of millions of other people that you're supporting hate speech? Hmm..
They could always say that they don't see the business relationship being profitable and just shut up afterwards.
So that goes both ways, right? Right wing businesses can't refuse to deal with companies just because they are "woke," right?
Time for someone to form Woke Antifa Rainbows, Inc and then sue right wing companies for refusing to do business with them.
It doesn't actually, the law is written specifically to disallow people from boycotting companies that destroy the environment, hate LGBTQ, actively promote anti-LGBTQ ideals, etc., but it DOESN'T stop the alternate -- the right can still boycott people who support LGBTQ rights, people who support working to fight climate change, etc. Just another one-sided law attempting to illegalize entirely legal business decisions by the left while allowing the right to continue saying it's OK to deny people wedding cakes if you hate the gays.
I figured as much. When people (or companies) say "I don't want to be associated with statements like this," the right's response depends on whose statements they are. If they are statements from the right, then it's "cancel culture" and must be banned. If they are statements from the left, then it's just Free Speech and no action against those saying it is allowed for any reason.
It's such an obvious double standard.
here goes that republican freedom again
Free speech is when the government punishes you for your opnion
So, you wouldn't be allowed to avoid doing business with:
a) Directly environmentally destructive companies
b) Gun-related companies
c) Companies that refuse to do anything about their global warming emissions
d) Companies that make racist and/or sexist promotion decisions
e) Medical companies that refuse to provide full reproductive and/or trans care
f) Companies that do business with any of the above
Nice list of priorities. You can boycott a company for trying to fix the environment but not for destroying it. You can boycott a company for trying to prevent gun violence but not for promoting it. You can boycott a company for trying to help fight against global warming but not for contributing to it. You can boycott a company for fighting against racism and sexism but not for enforcing it. You can boycott a company for providing reproductive or trans care but not for refusing to.
Wait, you're telling me that this is a one-sided law made in bad faith to illegalize behavior that's 100% constitutionally protected but that negatively impacts the conservative right while still allowing actions that negatively impact the left? Say it ain't so.
The headline is misleading. According to the text of the article, the law actually only bans companies that do business with the state from engaging in such boycotts. If you're company refuses to give ad money to Musk, then you don't get any state contracts.
I doubt the law is unconstitutional, but it is pretty stupid. Larger companies that care about their image enough to refuse to advertise on hate filled networks are also going to be the companies that provide the best services at the best prices. The state would be stuck using smaller companies that would charge them more and provide lower quality services.
Compelled speech is a first amendment violation. Telling a company they need to take positive political action to score a state contract is undoubtedly a violation of the 1st.
Not only is the law definitely unconstitutional, it's virtually unenforceable. A company can easily make a statement that they refuse to give money to another company for endless reasons. It's just hollow virtue signalling, something conservatives excel at.
Free market economy, y'all need to learn some economics!
That feels a lot like a Big Government sort of move, intended to curtail personal freedoms.