What's incredibly infuriating is not only did the police force fail these kids, but the community did as well.
They voted again for the people behind these complete failures who shoveled insane amounts of tax dollars to these cowards.
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I guess that's the kind of policing Uvalde wants 🤷♂️
Not sure why anyone would want to live in a town like that though.
Reminds me of the Douglas Adam’s bit
[Ford said] ".. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people." "Odd," said Arthur. "I thought you said it was a democracy." "I did," said Ford. "It is." "So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?" "It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they voted in more or less approximates to the government they want." "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?" "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course." "But," said Arthur, going in for the big one again, "why?" "Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in.
Brilliant, I love Douglas Adams
Ah, so they aren't getting the protection they need but they are getting the protection they deserve.
Politics are more complicated than that. Nobody deserves to have their children murdered because of their mistakes, even if it's an expected outcome.
Yes. But if having their children murdered still isn't enough to make gun control an important issue then... what can even be done?
With every other crime (not done by rich white dudes) Lemmy thinks it's a social issue. Why not safety nets and mental health assistance?
"but Dems eat babies!"
Those kids exhibited poise and bravery that the cops didn't and couldn't even comprehend. To no avail. I don't know how much more can be said about this incident that hasn't already been, but I wish a pox on every one of those useless officers. I wish upon them the most horrible things that can't even be spoken of. What a way for kids to learn that adults, even the most trusted ones, can be stupid and disappointing.
I don't spend very much time on hate, but I'll make an exception for them.
I think there's more that can be said, especially as more information is released.
I know I learned more about the experience of the kids from this story, and how much some of the cops feel failed by their organizations.
I value the kids' perspectives so much because they are the ones whose voices (probably rightly so) have been missing from the story until now. To hear the kids sobbing on the bus after finally getting out...the girl who only wanted to let the adults know that she tried to help her friends. It destroys me to hear she, and others, had to be the ones to give love and care to those around them instead of the adults they could hear on the other side of the door.
Civilian or cop, and I hate that sort of distinction, if you wish to carry a firearm you must understand safety, lethality, practice under pressure, and fuck me, 100 other variables. If you don't want to learn all that? Then don't pick up a weapon.
This lib has an AR-15. Ironically sold to me via other libs chanting, "BAN!" after Uvalde. Meh, might as well get grandfathered if I ever want one. Good job guys?
It's almost boring to shoot with a dialed in red-dot sight. I ain't Annie Oakley, but I can easily put steel on target when shaking all over. I can swap a mag while shitting myself. I practice.
So they were up against a kid with a good weapon, equally armed and presumably better trained? And children's lives were on the line?
If you were a cop on that day, in those circumstances, it was your fucking responsibility to engage. And yes, that might mean your personal extinction. That might be the consequences when you pick up a weapon. If you can't handle that? I got no problem. But pick up a rifle? Go fucking fight.
ACAB and many are also cowards.
I would have a hard time coming up with a singular more salient reason to defund the police than Uvalde.
we have cops in schools "to protect students" but all they ever do is just arrest mostly black kids for offenses that used to just get you sent to the principal's office, and when the big bad shooter does show up the school cop just runs away and coplovers defend them saying "they have no duty to protect" and "it was dangerous"
“they have no duty to protect”
And they are correct when they say that. Police was invented to protect the property of the rich - that's their only real duty. Everything else is propaganda to normalize the presence of this violent paramilitary that was fascist long before Mussolini gave it a name.
Students should receive 100% wage garnish from all the cops and the cops be forced back to school until the cops are able to graduate.
I'm still stunned. Shooter massacres kids and this nation does nothing. Again. Unreal but unfortunately not unexpected.
The UK jumped into action the moment they had their first school shooting. The US got mad at anyone who suggested we do anything. And still does.
So much so that even then President pisses their panties if they have to even mention the word firearms.
Given what we've seen with cops, given their fights that have made it to the Supreme Court where they argued successfully that they have no duty to protect and serve the public, I'd say the cops did follow their Active Shooter Protocol.
The state of policing in this country: literal children are better at following rules (including under pressure) than cops.
Fuck.
Wasn't this known from day 1? We had footage like 2 years ago? Nothing happened, nothing will happen. Just get used to it.
Actually something will happen. Other cops will see you can just stand back without consequences and will do likewise.
Something else will happen too. In just a few more years the survivors will be old enough to advocate for better gun control laws in this country and then be harassed by Marjorie Taylor Green and others like her for *pretending *to be victims of a school shooting. Just like the victims of the Parkland School shooting were.
If enough of them live long enough to experience a future. Saddest sentence I've written in a long time.
I really feel for the reporters who watched this footage to write this. I can barely read the word Uvalde without feeling despair and rage, and to watch it happen again and again must have been incredibly hard.
I'd seen this earlier, but didn't read the article until tonight. The sadness and anger are each far too familiar.
At this point an AI police force would probably be safer and more effective, as distopian as it sounds
YOU HAVE TWENTY SECONDS TO COMPLY.
Given the propensity of gpt to « fill the gaps » and « follow the narrative » what’s the benefit you expect ? Inability to hold a gun since it doesn’t have hands?
Also same difference due to training bias of models; they would likely flag the black guy given it would be fed crafted training material the same way your cops are biased…
I for one welcome our AI Overlords. Either that or an alien hivemind.
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