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If the Republican party was fed up with this. They could revoke his committee memberships and replace him with someone else at any time. So you have to ask yourself. Are they fed up really? Or is this all just performative. And is he doing exactly what they want.
The end goal of all of this seems to be about giving a long list of military appointees for a potential Trump part 2 presidency. No doubt these military appointees would be seeded with people who would go along with another coup attempt. So, yeah, it's just all part of the plan.
It's not even specifically tied to Trump. It's just fascist doing what fascists do. And every single one of them that isn't calling for tubervils resignation is complicit. But yes they absolutely want loyal little soldiers. Who will not oppose the next potential further.
They could revoke his committee memberships and replace him with someone else at any time.
This still wouldn't stop the hold, any single senator can place a hold on any motion. Normally the work around would be to just call a vote to proceed, but because others are literally hundreds of promotions on hold, it wouldn't really be possible to hold individual votes on them all.
I think the GOP was hoping to not have to rock the boat of a trump loyalist, they've been trying to mend the schism between their radical and traditional members since Jan 6.
I don't have the energy to pore through Senate rules and find out why this is a thing. But letting one of the Senate's biggest responsibilities be barred by a single Senator seems like a huge oversight.
It was originally utilized as an emergency procedure to halt a motion that may negatively affect an individual senator's state. Giving the senator time to pause the motion until he has read through the bill.
If utilized for it's original purpose, it's not actually that problematic of a rule, as it doesn't usually really take much to motivate a motion to continue if the motion is really important.
The issue is that holds were never designed not to be utilized for several hundred motions at the same time. The Senate got rid of holds all together at some point in the 90s but reinstated it the year or so after. I'm guessing this is going to cause them to close this particular loophole by amending the rules.
Though I doubt they will get rid of it all together, as conservatives benefit from holds like this and the filibuster a lot more than progressives.
If and when he stops, whoever is in the next safest seat will just pick up the baton.
They operate under a thin veil of plausible deniability, but they're all aware of the game they're playing.
Yep, it's fascism all the way down.
You hit the nail on the head
This is what the Republican Party has become: working against U.S. interests, embracing totalitarianism, and receiving funds from Russia and China. Tuberville is a prime example of this disturbing trend within the GOP.
Tubervile (typo, but I'm keeping it) is like McConnell - a useful hatchet man for the GOP. He's in no danger of losing his seat, has no shame, and is willing to do the dirty work regardless of how it affects his nationwide popularity.
On top of that Faux "News" and hard-line Republicans have made compromise akin to traitorous. As soon as any Republicans joined Democrats in calling for his replacement on the committee, they'd not only have a likely Republican opponent the next campaign cycle, but probably death threats.
Case-in-point, Adam Kinsinger, who only agreed to join the impeachment team knowing he was done in politics afterwards.
Have they or are they using him as an excuse to get nothing useful done? Because they could easily team up with Democrats to expel him if they're so tired of him.
So what you start doing is when it's his turn to vote yes or no and he starts talking about abortion you have he biggest guy in the room punch him square in the face. Then ask for his vote again. Repeat until he votes
Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
I doubt that's allowed in the Senate rules. But that won't stop Fetterman, he doesn't give a fuck.
Now, see, I'm really glad you brought up Fetterman. Not just because I love the guy, but because he is a fantastic example of how quickly and effectively the Senate can legislate when there is a political will, like Fetterman's personal sartorial choices.
It's late September, 2023. Fetterman has been wearing casual clothing to work since his release from the hospital for depression, and his party is cool with it, even moving to relax the unofficial Senate dress code for him . . . but then Fetterman ends up leading the Senate for a hot minute in a short-sleeved shirt. Hundreds of military promotions have lingered untouched and frozen for months, Ukraine is desperately waiting for US aid, the entire US government is teetering on the brink of a GOP-led shutdown, but Fetterman presides over the Senate in a short-sleeved shirt and within a SINGLE WEEK the Senate has a new dress code, physically enforced by the Sergeant-at-Arms.
Forty-six Republican senators (all but three) sent a letter to Schumer demanding he reverse the change, writing, "The world watches us on that floor and we must protect the sanctity of that place at all costs." That prompted West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin and Utah Republican Mitt Romney to introduce a resolution earlier this week that would formally instate an enforceable dress code for the Senate floor. The SHORTS Act ("SHow Our Respect To the Senate," according to Politico) requires business attire, specifying "a coat, tie, and slacks or other long pants" for men. It doesn't say anything about women.
Funny, but for as clearly as I recall so many Senate votes over the years, I don't remember a fucking thing these people have ever worn. If the GOP had a fraction of as much concern for their constituents and their jobs as they do about their clothing, this country would be entirely different today.
TL;DR: The Senate can do things with amazing effectiveness and rapidity when they want to. But when it comes to our military and ensuring its competent leadership by allowing posts to be filled and promotions to take place as needed, they just don't fucking feel like it.
I am in agreement with everything you wrote here.
But I only brought Fetterman into this because the guy I was replying to wanted "the biggest guy in the room" to punch Coach repeatedly. And I think it's well known that Fetterman is the biggest guy in that chamber.
Yeah, I was piggybacking on your comment. Apologies for the distraction.
He's still butthurt that Alabama didn't get Space Force
He started the blockade before that decision though and that blockade is part of the reason they didn’t.
Though won’t argue that he may be upset. Granted Huntsville is more liberal than a lot of Al, so may also view it as owning the libs.
Just one more thing to keep in mind while youre voting next year.
So wait… the work around was always “do them one by one” and he still had the power the stop that approach also?!
Sort of. This gets into the Senate rules so you really need to ask the Senate Parliamentarian. But my understanding is that under the normal rules, everything the Senate does is subject to some minimum amount of debate on the floor. Including each and every single one of these promotions.
The Senate can waive the normal rules if nobody objects, which happens quite often. For these military promotions, they are often bundled together and voted on all at once. but even a single Senator objecting can force them back to the normal rules. Coach said that the Senate can still approve these, one by one, like the normal rules say.
So, the Senate Leadership decided to offer them one by one, but still waive the debate time for each, which is still circumventing the rules and requires unanimous consent and Coach is continuing to object.
I think it's a bit of performance theater ahead of a push to formally change the rule, which requires 60 votes, so they need Republican support to do it. But if you simply count up the outspoken Republicans who were fighting with Coach and add them to the Senate majority, the math doesn't add up to 60 yet. I think the entire night was a performance for the five or six Republicans they still need to get to 60 votes.
So what are they planning to do about it? Oh, that's right: nothing. I'd call the GOP useless except they're clearly being used by someone.
Hahahahahaha, what happened to tubbyville's BrInG EaCh OnE iNdIvIdUaLlY bullshit he was lying about? Who here is surprised the Republican fucker is lying?
His first mistake is thinking he can bring any type of "life ethics" into the american military.
They are literally the walking talking example of telling you to screw off lol.
I mean seriously, they have triple the swear word vocabulary of the average person. Not even the happiest and purest hearted of some coast guard CO is going to listen to him.
The marines would eat him alongside their crayons and MRE wrappers.
Not even trying to be an edge lord or a treasonist here, asking in earnest...
He's an outsider. Haven't the movies taught us they'll break his knee caps so he can't make it to the Senate floor to do this?
I haven't been following this at all. What does he say he's trying to accomplish with this?
He's mad that female service members stationed where abortion is illegal, are able to apply for leave / reimbursement for travel to another state to get an abortion.
Thanks!
Republicans could end this in one vote. Democrats could bring individual votes and just pass them through slower.
Shutting down our military leadership is a team effort.
There aren't enough hours in the Senate to do it individually. Also there's other shit to get done. This is not both sides. One man, not even the whole GOP for once is about it. Please don't falsely equivocate. It's dangerous.
Did you know a comment you've made like this may have stopped a potential swing voter from switching over bc while they're conservative they hate obstructionism and prefer a functioning government? "But both sides so whatever.. might as well keep voting against your abortions and trans people existing"
So you admit that the senate could do it if they wanted to without any republican support. And you're also claiming that it's not worth scheduling ANY individual position fill votes and better to just let one dumbshit destroy our military leadership because the dems can blame it on the republicans.
I'm not going to lie and claim that dems are perfect and theres no time to line up 400 votes (each of which takes approx 20 minutes) in the YEARS this bullshit has been blocked just in case some low information dumbfuck who would never have voted for not facism anyway.
Are you really claiming that there's no time or circumstances when those who can work around an obstruction simply refuse to do so have to start sharing the blame?
You ignored the substantive part of my response. And I don't understand what your point is. I actually don't understand your comment at all.