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[โ€“] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 140 points 11 months ago (3 children)

AI CEOs be like

Online Communism ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

Real Life Communism ๐Ÿ˜ 

[โ€“] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 26 points 11 months ago

Communism for fascists and fascism for the commons. It's the american way.

[โ€“] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (4 children)

More like theft of data = "communism"

[โ€“] gmtom@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I work as an AI engineer and any company that's has a legal department that isn't braindead isn't stealing content. The vast majority of content posted online is done so under a creative commons licence, which allows other people to do basically whatever they want with that content, so it's in no way shape or form stealing.

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[โ€“] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Online communism unless you actually want something for free.

[โ€“] LorelaiLoreLore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 107 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Intellectual property is fake lmao. Train your AI on whatever you want

[โ€“] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 66 points 11 months ago (22 children)

"Artists don't deserve to profit off their own work" is stupid as shit. Complain about copyright abuse and lobbying a la Disney and I'll be right there with you, but people shouldn't have the right to take your work and profit off it without either your consent or paying you for it.

Artists and other creatives who actually do work to create art (not shitting out text into an image generator) should take every priority over AI "creators."

[โ€“] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No you don't understand, the machine works exactly like a human brain! That makes stealing the work of others completely justifiable and not even really theft!

/s, bc apparently this community has a bunch of dumbass tech bros that genuinely think this

[โ€“] gmtom@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This but mostly unironically. And before you go Inzulting me I'm an artist myself and wouldn't be where I am if I wasn't allowed to learn from other people's art to teach myself.

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[โ€“] gmtom@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (20 children)

Equating training AI to not being able to profit is stupid as shit and the same bullshit argument big companies use to say "we lost a bazillion dollars to people pursuing out software" someone training their AI on an art work (that is probably under a creative commons licence anyway) does suck money out of an artists pocket they would have otherwise made.

Artists and other creatives who actually do work to create art (not shitting out text into an image generator) should take every priority over AI "creators."

Why are you the one that gets to decide what is "work" to create art? Should digital artists not count because they are computer assisted, don't require as much skill and technique as "traditional" artists and use tools that are based on the work of others like, say, brush makers?

And the language you use shows that you're vindictive and angry.

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[โ€“] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No. Fuck that. I don't consent to my art or face being used to train AI. This is not about intellectual property, I feel my privacy violated and my efforts shat on.

[โ€“] stewsters@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Unless you have been locked in a sensory deprivation tank for your whole life, and have independently developed the English language, you too have learned from other people's content.

[โ€“] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Well my knowledge can't be used as a tool of surveillance by the government and the corporations and I have my own feelings intent and everything in between. AI is artifical inteligence, Ai is not an artificial person. AI doesn't have thoughts, feelings or ideals. AI is a tool, an empty shell that is used to justify stealing data and survelience.

[โ€“] Stovetop@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

This very comment is a resource that government and corporations can use for surveillance and training.

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[โ€“] oatscoop@midwest.social 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yet we live in a world where people will profit from the work and creativity of others without paying any of it back to the creator. Creating something is work, and we don't live in a post-scarcity communist utopia. The issue is the "little guy" always getting fucked over in a system that's pay-to-play.

Donating effort to the greater good of society is commendable, but people also deserve to be compensated for their work. Devaluing the labor of small creators is scummy.

[โ€“] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm working on a tabletop setting inspired by the media I consumed. If I choose to sell it, I'll be damned if I'm going to pay royalties to the publishers of every piece of media that inspired me.

[โ€“] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

If you were a robot that never needed to eat or sleep and could generate 10,000 tabletop RPGs an hour with little to no creative input then I might be worried about whether or not those media creators were compensated.

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[โ€“] cm0002@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then don't post your art or face publicly, I agree with you if it's obtained through malicious ways, but if you post it publicly than expect it to be used publicly

[โ€“] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If you post your art publicly why should it be legal for Amazon to take it and sell it? You are deluding yourself if you believe AI having a get out of jail free card on IP infringement won't be just one more source of exploitation for corporations.

[โ€“] cm0002@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Taking it and selling it is obviously not legal, but taking it and using it for training data is a whole different thing.

Once a model has been trained the original data isn't used for shit, the output the model generates isn't your artwork anymore it isn't really anybody's.

Sure, with some careful prompts you can get the model to output something in your style fairly closely, but the outputting image isn't yours. It's whatever the model conjured up based on the prompt in your style. The resulting image is still original of the model

It's akin to someone downloading your art, tracing it over and over again till they learn the style and then going off to draw non-traced original art just in your style

[โ€“] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

"You don't understand, it's not infringement because we put it in a blender first" is why AI "art" keeps taking Ls in court.

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[โ€“] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If the large corporations can use IP to crush artists, artists might as well try to milk every cent they can from their labor. I dislike IP laws as well, and you can never use the masters' tools to dismantle their house, but you can sure as shit do damage and get money for yourself.

[โ€“] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Luckily, AI aren't the master's tools, they're a public technology. That's why they're already trying their had at regulatory capture. Just like they're trying to destroy encryption. Support open source development, It's our only chance. Their AI will never work for us. John Carmack put it best.

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[โ€“] fiqusonnick@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Me, literally training a neutral net to generate pictures of carrot cakes right now:

[โ€“] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 months ago

WHERE DID YOU GET THE DATA?

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[โ€“] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 57 points 11 months ago

I feel the current AI crawling bots + "opt-out your data" tactic is ingeniously evil.

[โ€“] Evotech@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's hilarious really

Companies have been stealing data for so long, and then another company comes and steals their data by scraping it they go surprised Pikachu

[โ€“] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

The best part is the end result, not where the data comes from. Tired of hearing about AI models "stealing" data. I put all my art, designs and code online and assume it'll be used to train models (which I'll be able to use later on)

[โ€“] alekwithak@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You're fine with a corporation making money off your copyrighted work? Without seeing a cent of it?

[โ€“] MikuNPC@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Why not? Same as a person being inspired to reuse certain aspects. Artists reuse other artists work constantly and usually more blatantly than what AI does.

I wouldn't want to copyright every visual pattern conceivable, everything would be a copyright violation of some sort.

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[โ€“] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I interpreted this less as being about art models and more about predictive models trained off of data with racial prejudice (i.e. crime prediction models trained off of old police data)

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[โ€“] someguy7734206@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago (13 children)

One thing I've started to think about for some reason is the problem of using AI to detect child porn. In order to create such a model, you need actual child porn to train it on, which raises a lot of ethical questions.

[โ€“] breadcodes@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cloudflare says they trained a model on non-cp first and worked with the government to train on data that no human eyes see.

It's concerning there's just a cache of cp existing on a government server, but it is for identifying and tracking down victims and assailants, so the area could not be more grey. It is the greyest grey that exists. It is more grey than #808080.

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[โ€“] TWeaK@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Never forget: businesses do not own data about you. The data belongs to the data subject, businesses merely claim a licence to use it.

[โ€“] feddylemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Legally, businesses very much own the data about you unfortunately.

[โ€“] TWeaK@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

No, they very explicitly don't. They claim a licence in perpetuity to nearly all the same rights as the data owner, but the data subject is still the owner.

Also, that licence may not be so robust. A judge should see that the website has no obligation to continue hosting the website, and they offer nothing in return for the data, so the perpetual licence is not a reasonable term in the contract and should be struck down to something the data subject can rescind. In some respects we do have this with "the right to be forgotten" and to have businesses delete your data, however the enforcement of this is sorely lacking.

Laws change over time, though. Everyone is the victim of this practice, so eventually the law should catch up.

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[โ€“] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

For Stable Diffusion, it comes from images on Common Crawl through the LAION 5b dataset.

[โ€“] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Jesus Christ who called in the tech bro cavalry? Get a fucking life losers you're not artists and nobody is proud of you for doing the artistic equivalent of commissioning an artist (which you should be doing instead of stealing their art and mashing it into a shitty approximation of art)

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[โ€“] Xariphon@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

Annoying and aggressive about it to the point where you'd like to wring their necks? Yeah, that's exactly what that's like.

[โ€“] janet_catcus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 11 months ago

it's funny, but still, where did you get the data? XD

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