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Kevin McCarthy is ousted as House speaker in a historic vote pushed by conservatives
(www.nbcnews.com)
Well I guess Gaetz finally screwed someone over 18.
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Voting with democrats to remove the speaker for voting with democrats. Seems like a healthy system.
You broke logic to a chimp fight.
The greatest system of government ever created, everyone.
“Democracy is the worst form of government except for all of the others that have been tried.”
I mean, regardless of how one feels about democracy as a whole, numerous other countries demonstrate that you can at least have a more effective implementation of democracy than that of the United States
More effective by tiptoes, not leaps and bounds. You can see countless other countries succumbing to populism and pandering.
The US is just much more visible because of the domination of US media, and the desire to distance themselves from it by pointing out "how much worse it could be" like the US.
When they asked Gaetz if he had a name to put forward for speaker....
He has no idea, no plan, they're just throwing a tantrum
They have a plan alright. They want to throw the US into chaos so their overlord in the Kremlin can continue his miserable existence a bit longer. Anyone who votes for these fuckers is a traitor.
Exactly. No speaker means the house grinds to a halt yet again. Which is exactly what they want - minimum attention while they lie, cheat, and steal their way into positions of authority for their next coup attempt.
There is already a speaker pro tempore. It's an automatic process.
Yeah but all they can do is repeatedly hold votes for a speaker. Until one is confirmed, the house can’t vote on legislation or conduct any business.
Pro Tem is only there to elect a new Speaker afaik.
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Primary motivation IMO is Trump flexing and saying "if I go down, so will you" to the party, in an attempt to force them to do "something" to help him in his trials.
I don't think Trump knows what that something is, but that hasn't stopped him in the past.
My prediction is that they'll flail around a bit trying to find someone they prefer and eventually just appoint McCarthy again. Probably not really that likely but it'll feel hilarious if I manage to call it so I'm predicting that anyway.
My guess goes to them somehow electing MTG speaker and getting even less work done. At least the work place environment will be positive, considering all the laughter they will have.
if MTG becomes the speaker, the sexual harassment lawsuits will get out of hand. Remember, you're not supposed to show dick pics as work.
And commence 45 days of no Speaker so they can crash the system by not being able to pass the budget
I think the GOP would have to keep all their members in the house in case the democrats comes with a motion to name a speaker by themselves when there outnumber republicans in the house.
That speaker would be quickly removed
The House sets its own rules at the beginning of every Congress. There's no reason a speaker has to agree to the demands that they can be removed via motion by one single member of Congress.
It certainly wasn't an option during the last Congress, while Pelosi was Speaker. It also shouldn't be a demand Democrats should ever cave to when nominating their own candidate.
McCarthy did this all to himself.
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And the irony is the hard right just voted with the Democrats on something - which is exactly the problem they had with the funding bill.
This should be ran 24/7 on the fascist news channels.
To sum:
- Republican minority threw tantrum, because McCarthy passed a 45 day funding bill with Dem votes, and called a vote to vacate
- McCarthy before the vote "They don't have to vote to out me"
- Votes counted, need 5 Republicans to flip, and 8 did flip
- McCarthy blames the Dems
- Matt Gaetz blames the Dems
- Media ask why won't Dens save McCarthy
- Conspiracy already brewing in real time, it's all Biden scheme to install a puppet speaker
It's not my responsibility and it's all your fault. You can't make this up.
It’s always Dem’s fault for not stopping repubes from setting the house on fire. Classic narcissistic prayer.
It was a given that the Dems would be blamed. The dipshit repugs don't know how to do anything else.
That was coming regardless.
Now it's time for HAKEEEEEEEM JEFFRIES!
I heard this in Leroy Jenkins' voice...
That was the point.
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So how long does everyone think it will take this pack of whiny children to decide who the replacement is going to be?
I wanna see the odds of it just going right back to him, because they have no ideas
That would be absolutely hilarious
Greater than 45 days. They're afraid McCarthy would get enough not-insane republicans to cross the aisle, so they had to get rid of him before he could pass a more permanent spending bill.
They want to use every fiscal discussion as a hostage negotiation.
I think the over/under is going to be hard to decide on because it seems like it'll be first-order-of-business done in less than a week, or the full 45 days, or McHenry the Pro Tempore just starts acting like a Speaker and we never get a real vote.
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lasted longer than I expected
Yeah my head of lettuce is long long gone
Could a new speaker propose new rules to remove the new rule that allowed McCarthy to be removed? Or are the rules, once defined, set for the term?
I assume with a large enough vote anything could change, but are the standard rules attached to the speaker or the term?
I ask because I don't see anyone agreeing to what McCarthy agreed to, if they can avoid it.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Rep. Elise Stefanik, the GOP conference chair, delivered remarks boosting McCarthy, suggesting on the House floor this afternoon that Republican members "strongly" support him in spite of efforts by Gaetz to undermine his leadership.
"This boy from Bakersfield, he cares deeply about his constituents, his country and the American people, and that includes each and every one of his colleagues," Stefanik said of McCarthy, adding that he had supported milestones with his members, and "cheered" for them at moments when "we haven't believed in ourselves."
That includes the debt ceiling deal McCarthy made with President Joe Biden and the recent CR that kept the government open but lacked the major spending cuts conservatives had pushed for.
While Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries didn’t explicitly urge members of his caucus to vote with leadership, he said that Democrats remain “unified in our commitment to put people over politics, continue to build a healthy economy and make life more affordable for everyday Americans.”
Jeffries listed a handful of reasons why Democrats shouldn’t feel obligated to save McCarthy, arguing that the GOP majority has restructured the House “to empower right-wing extremists, kowtow to their harsh demands and impose a rigid partisan ideology.”
Among them: Reps. Patrick McHenry and Richard Hudson of North Carolina; Rep. Adrian Smith, of Nebraska; Rep. Robert Wittman, of Virginia; Rep. Andy Harris, of Maryland; and Reps. John Joyce and Guy Reschenthaler, of Pennsylvania.
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Lol
I think Democrats missed a chance by voting along party lines here. Yes the drama from McCarthy losing his seat is delicious but anything that helps make Gaetz look like an idiot is even sweeter. Just the vote itself already diminishes McCarthy's power, but there's incentive now for McCarthy to actually court Democrat votes for future bills and everytime a bill passes with Democrats voting for it you can hear Gaetz slowly losing it.
Why did democrats vote to oust McCarthy? He was working with them and with no speaker nothing gets done?
He offered the Democrats no concessions to vote for him, and reneged on a deal he personally negotiated in May during the debt ceiling ~~hostage crisis~~ negotiations. Why in the world would democrats vote to keep someone who actively betrayed them in power without major, binding concessions?
Because they don't want him to be speaker, and more importantly he publicly said he would not work with them to keep his speakership.
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