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Ignoring the security implications, I miss kb large old raw html websites that loaded instantly on DSL internet. Nowadays shit is too fancy because hardware allows that, but I feel we're just constantly running into more bugs first and then worry about them later.

Edit: I've thought more about it, and I think I just missed the simplicity of the internet back then. There's just too much bloat these days with ad trackers and misinformation. I kinda forgot just how bright and eye jarring most old UIs were lol.

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[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 82 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know what I miss? When information was condensed instead of spread out to insert more ads. When software willingly gave you all the options you could ever need instead of removing most of them because "people might get confused". When website took up the entire screen instead of a mobile wide strip in the middle because "it can be scary for people".

Fuck everyone who keeps lowering the bar of tech literacy just to appeal to the general public.

[–] Tathas@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

Click next after each paragraph of the story so I can load more ads! And by paragraph, I mean one tag per sentence.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not that unpopular an opinion I bet.

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google thinks otherwise :(

[–] EditsHisComments@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, Google is also complicit in this

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[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I saw a web page from 1999 today and as a full stack dev I immediately clicked away bc obvi NSFW

BUT then I had the urge to go back to this simple ass web "site" and just admire it for a second like "wow, someone probably spent weeks on this 2 day design".

Tbh afterwards I was kind of in awe that every option was available on each page with no sidebars or extra clicks. Not slick but quick tho!

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[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Ignoring the security implications.

There are literally none with basic html.

It's when you started adding shit like Shockwave, javascript and the like, all massive security holes, things got dicey.

Plain old HTML, none what so ever.

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] kill_dash_nine@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago
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[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, there are basically no security implications for plain html.

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, I just thought older websites were less secure. But I guess now that I think about it, you only got viruses if you clicked on the sketchy links yourself.

[–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Wow that was a beautiful journey

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[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 30 points 1 year ago

Most of the issue with loading times are the billion ads and trackers. There are sites I visit that load instantly with Adblock on but extremely slow without it.

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Find the right webring, and you’d hit a treasure trove of content. Dig a little deeper and find something even more interesting. The pre-corporate takeover internet.

We talk about enshittification ruining everything, but Facebook and Web 2.0 started ripping out the heart of the internet. Everyone went along with it, and corporate claws sunk in. The fun internet got pushed aside for the ad-friendly internet.

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Speaking as a web developer - sorry.

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No need. As someone who understands web development enough to know I know nothing about web development, it makes sense to me why the internet is what it is today. It's all about establishing a brand and identity now so doing extra things can make you stand out.

While YouTube has gotten more sluggish over the years, I do think some recent changes like ambient mode have been pretty cool. I also support reasonable hardware requirements because things get obsolete over time.

I guess I just miss the simplicity of early internet browsing more compared to all the bloat that exists today.

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[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There isn't a day I don't think about how annoying the modern web is. Fancy crap, GDPR, a trillion frameworks weighing 1mb+ each, a ton of useless extra info for SEO and whatnot. All to see the pure information I initially seeked saying "yes". Which could've been a 1kb site.

[–] Hubi@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The GDPR is not annoying. The fact that it is necessary is annoying.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

Truetrue. Yet it still doesn't serve much of a protection service. What should we care a about a tracking-cookie when most sites use multiple tracking-scripts anyway? Or force you to either accept or pay. Or simply deny entry at all.

I just need another plugin to block another thing...

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 19 points 1 year ago

Right there with you buddy.

Craigslist and McMaster are so efficient..

[–] folkrav@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I miss kb large old raw html websites that loaded instantly on DSL internet

Instantly? We had very different DSL connections 😳

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What would stop an individual or company nowadays to build a pure html website? Isn't this what a "static site" is?

Isn't this what HUGO and Jekyll produce, only a little bit prettier?

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nothing. Warren Buffetts company Berkshire Hathaway has the most simple business's site of all time.

https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/

The fault is a combination of execs wanting a slick site, marketing wanting a highly SEO scoring page, and Devs wanting to play with web frameworks.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, they even have an old-school tracker-free static advertisement image on that page. Now that's a classic.

[–] Changetheview@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’d love to know how much they paid for it. Even part of the “message from warren” page too. Must have been a pretty penny. I bet a lot of pages would love to do static links in exchange for upfront fees similar to it.

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Geico is owned by them, so they may not have to pay.

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[–] krey@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The need to have a "responsive" layout and webdesigners. At work i see this happeneing a lot. Someone has a quick loading basic website, but it's old and it's sometimes complicated to use on phones. They hire a webdesigner to modernize it, to make the UI rearrange when you tilt your phone sideways and have a big menu on big desktop screens and a folded hamburger menu on small phone screens. They need touch support and want less reloads. Every requirement adds code and libraries. The result really has better usability and neat spinners instead of complete page reloads, but it initially loads a bit slower and has bigger components.

[–] calzone_gigante@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I dont think that usability or acessibility gets so much in the way. It's more about thinking webpages as applications instead of documents. Plain html is easier for screenreaders and larger fonts. You can also get responsive with very little css.

Simplicity is just not the goal anymore.

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[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago

Also wiby.me. (hit "surprise me")

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 10 points 1 year ago

I instantly hit the Firefox Reader Mode button or turn on Brave's accessibility reader. They cut all the crap out of most websites. Bonus is they often remove paywalls.

[–] RedStrider@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This web thing is okay, but it will never replace Gopher.

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[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You can still use old Gmail. I do. It's fast. It has no ads. It's amazing.

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 11 points 1 year ago

Enjoy it while you still can.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I like using email client software instead. It just uses Gmail as a backend and the inbox looks however I want it to look.

Plus, it works while offline on the train or with Amtrak's shitty WiFi

[–] fernandu00@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Everything is a transpiled Rract SPA loaded with trackers ..want to read your neighbors blog? Suck these hundreds trackers ...

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I remember building the first web site for our company many, many years ago. It was Friday afternoon, approaching 16:00, and I was eying my jacket hanging next to the office door, when the owner and CEO came in and told me that he had come to the conclusion that we need a web site.

When I left the office at about 22:00, we had one. The CEO and I had sat down together while I set up an apache on a linux box on the desk across from me, and he actually learned a bit of HTML while following me "designing" a web page with a text editor and painting tool. It had everything we needed back then.

Even today, I have the habit of cleaning up HTML perpetrated by horrible tools, most often Word or Calibre.

[–] Drrocketsurgeon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wiby.me/surprise/

I set this as my home on chrome

It should load some older websites at random each time it's opened

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